SF Mayor London Breed Endorses Mike Bloomberg (unemployment, wages, generation)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by llowllevellowll

When people start talking about communism, I start to look a bit dubiously. There has, to this date, never been a communist country. A move toward socialism is not necessarily a move toward communism. Sanders is far more a reformist than anything, and it's really no different than when FDR capitulated to both the socialists and the capitalists--many of those reformed which have now been essentially repealed. And to think, FDR is one of the most popular Democratic candidates in history and yet today's mess of a party is so scared to allow a somewhat similar figure to be nominated.

Whoops. Seems like maybe you interpreted my comment as conflating Sanders as communist. Uh, nope. He’s not even a pure socialist, as you pointed out. And he’s probably got my vote, though he is my #2 preference. #1 preference is Andrew Yang, but it would be a throw-away vote in an election too important to protest.

Speaking of an election too critical to screw around with making ‘statement’ votes: Bloomberg, whom I respect but don’t align with, may get my vote, push comes to shove. I can appreciate why Breed endorses the guy given the situation both nationally, and in San Francisco at this time.

I see an appetite nationally for revolutionary change ... not violent overthrow, but just deep deep discontent with the status quo path evolving any further, headed for blatant oligarchy. Hence Trump won the voters he did. Hence Sanders is a vibrant antidote to Trump’s charlatan fraud.

And yet, there is broad electorate fear for their/our collective security - mostly financial security.

Hence Bloomberg, all business, no bullshirt, quality character, proven track record extraordinaire, very little (if any) bad baggage, pops in to scoop the process.

Much as I think America needs to adopt social capitalism (what Yang calls “human-centered capitalism”), as much of northern Europe thrives on, we can’t afford to allow the chaos of Trump to destroy the nation completely. While Klobuchar and even Buttigeig and Biden all represent competent executive stability, the candidate who can match Trump’s money stories, and campaign war chest, and prove far far greater business ability and stability, while also having proven political success, is ....

Dang it

[SFBayBoomer]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Much as I think America needs to adopt social capitalism (what Yang calls “human-centered capitalism”), as much of northern Europe thrives on, we can’t afford to allow the chaos of Trump to destroy the nation completely. While Klobuchar and even Buttigeig and Biden all represent competent executive stability, the candidate who can match Trump’s money stories, and campaign war chest, and prove far far greater business ability and stability, while also having proven political success, is ....

Dang it

The thing that bothers me about Bloomberg is that he is spending all these millions of dollars not to promote other viable, capable moderates in the race, or better, yet, the very best Democrat—Amy Klobuchar, in my opinion—but instead he's spending to promote himself so he can be President.

[CorporateCowboy]

Originally Posted by SFBayBoomer

The thing that bothers me about Bloomberg is that he is spending all these millions of dollars not to promote other viable, capable moderates in the race, or better, yet, the very best Democrat—Amy Klobuchar, in my opinion—but instead he's spending to promote himself so he can be President.

He is spending his money on who he feels is the best candidate; essentially, you're stating he should spend his money the way you want him to spend it (which is fantastical).

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by SFBayBoomer

The thing that bothers me about Bloomberg is that he is spending all these millions of dollars not to promote other viable, capable moderates in the race, or better, yet, the very best Democrat—Amy Klobuchar, in my opinion—but instead he's spending to promote himself so he can be President.

Just read an article along these lines. Here’s a link if you are intrested:
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/7/2112296...-hillary-obama

And here’s another that addresses some of the issue (from a strong right-leaning media no less ... but pretty well written):
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...-biden-falters

I am not in Bloomberg’s camp (yet anyway). I’m just giving him a fair shake along with everyone else given the chaos. He has promised to continue a beat Trump ad campaign regardless of winning the nomination himself. That’s a pretty impressive commitment that demonstrates he’s not in this for ego driven reasons. I think he’s completely sincere. Same with Bernie Sanders. As for most of the rest of the Democratic field: I see far less ego-driven desire than in many past POTUS campaigns. A lot of well intentioned candidates.

I think very highly of Klobuchar also. But she’s not an inspiring candidate and it shows in her inability to break out into the top field in spite of her credentials and obvious intelligence and competence. She can’t beat the insane Trump electorate.

Yang is also sharp as a tack. He can’t beat Trump either ...

Buttigeig could never beat Trump.

Warren can’t beat Trump.

Bernie or Bloomberg are the best shots to beat Trump - though not necessarily the best choices for all other considerations. These two guys, each in very different ways, have the power to match Trump-mania.

[5thgenSF]

Originally Posted by SFBayBoomer

The thing that bothers me about Bloomberg is that he is spending all these millions of dollars not to promote other viable, capable moderates in the race, or better, yet, the very best Democrat—Amy Klobuchar, in my opinion—but instead he's spending to promote himself so he can be President.

that's not was he says. at all.

[norcal2k19]

Originally Posted by scirocco

The powers that be in the Dem party are doing whatever it takes to remove Bernie Sanders as a viable candidate. Bloomberg is acting no more than a spolier right now. London Breed, with all her street smarts knows what is best for her own political ambitions. Doing what she is told and who to endorse is something she has no choice but to obey.

All about keeping Bernie Sanders away from the Dem nomination. Ironically, he has the best chance of all of beating Trump.

This is the problem with Bernie supporters and one reason why Leno/Kim lost the first mayoral election Breed ran in. "Doing what she is told and who to endorse is something she has no choice but to obey."

Oh, so a Black woman can't make her own decisions? You wonder why Bernie will never get the nomination. Just offensive - and I bet you'll say you have "black friends" too.

[norcal2k19]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Ok but not really ok. Your reasoning doesn’t add up here. Without arguing whether Sanders is the right or best candidate to become president ... but rather just your specific concern:

You agree that Trump’s Syria policy is a failure.

Then you say Sanders’ would do the same ... and quote his website ... but fail to recognize that Sanders’ stated position is to return Congressional authority “ over the use of force to responsibly end these interventions and bring our troops home.“

Whereas Trump accelerated the Executive Branch’s applications of military force independent of Congress.

Sanders is proposing to return Congressional oversight and involvement.

That all clarified, Bloomberg is a pragmatist, not an ideologue. Breed may well like Bloomberg’s NYC record of pragmatism. For all the various hiccups that people may cite, his record of creating positive change and paths forward for the nation’s largest city is pretty impressive.

Then again, he’s a complete capitalist ... which is as much of an ultimate death march for society as would be communism.

I agree with most of this except this part..."he’s a complete capitalist." Bloomberg was very much in favor of keeping NYC's mixed economy in tact when he was mayor. Besides SF, NYC is close to social democratic as it gets with the provision of social welfare in the US. Like London, the City leverages the large financial services and real estate industries to fund it.

[SocSciProf]

Most candidates look good before opponents start pointing out problems in their record. That is now starting to happen with Bloomberg.

An Audio Clip Lays Bare Michael Bloomberg's Major Stop-and-Frisk Problem:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...frisk-problem/

The article quotes a tape of Bloomberg speaking in 2015, a tape his 2015 staff immediately tried to suppress:

Here’s what Bloomberg said: We want to spend a lot of money, put a lot of cops in the street, put those cops where the crime is, which is in the minority neighborhoods. So this is — one of the unintended consequences is, people say, “Oh my God, you are arresting kids for marijuana that are all minorities.” Yes, that’s true. Why? Because we put all the cops in the minority neighborhoods. Yes, that’s true. Why do we do it? Because that’s where all the crime is.

And the first thing you can do for people is to stop them getting killed. Now we did a calculation of how many people who would have been dead if we hadn’t brought down the murder rate and gotten guns off the streets. And the way you get the guns out of the kids’ hands is to throw 'em against the wall and frisk 'em.

and

it’s controversial, but first thing is, all of your — 95 percent of your murders, murderers and murder victims, fit one M.O. You can just take the description, Xerox it and pass it out to all the cops. They are male minorities, 15 to 25. That’s true in New York. It’s true in virtually every city. And that’s where the real crime is. You’ve got to get the guns out of the hands of the people that are getting killed.

Do you really see male minorities coming out to vote for someone who basically said, "Throw every dang one of 'em against a wall and frisk 'em, they gotta be doing something wrong"? I don't. Bloomberg is toast -- if not in the primaries, then in the general. Best the DNC rid itself of this monstrously fascist option as soon as possible, else he drag a few Senators and governors down with him owing to abysmally lower black turnout than normal.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by 5thgenSF

not only is the economy diving, we are trillions more in debt thanks to trump.

The debt will continue to get worse no matter who is elected and will almost certainly be even higher if a Dem like Sanders is elected.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/the-m...212635740.html

[Rakin]

Democrats sure preach mixed messages.

Billionaires are all evil. Go Bloomberg !