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Old 01-29-2020, 08:39 PM
 
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If this is the plan, I could get behind it. The Palestinians must never be allowed to have their own military alliances or control their own borders as they have proven time and time again that they are incapable of responsible stewardship regarding those issues. Internal politics? Let them have at it. But never knowingly give someone the means and keys to destroy you when they have been hellbent on such destruction for decades.
They were inconveniently there in 1948 when the Zionists moved in and declared imminent domain and they are still inconveniently there. Some problems are so simple you only need one sentence to explain them.

 
Old 01-29-2020, 08:41 PM
 
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Lol, that's very generous. So, according to your logic, since the former Soviet Union defeated Nazi Germany (the invader) in WW2, now Russia should be in possession of the territory or, say, 30% of it?
Most of East Prussia went to Poland I believe.
 
Old 01-30-2020, 02:54 PM
 
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America Walks Back Peace Plan, Israel (and Bibi) Thrown Under a Bus

https://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/mu...us/2020/01/30/
 
Old 01-31-2020, 08:07 PM
 
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If the details in this article are correct (and I am not certain), then it sounds like a very good compromise: Israel will cease further settlements and up to 70% of the West Bank will form a Palestinian state. For security's sake, Israel will still have a military presence throughout the West Bank.

Early word is that Israel is accepting of it; the more moderate Arabs are accepting of it; but of course the Hamas-led Palestinians are not. It will be interesting to see if the Palestinians reject yet another offer of peace.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-...k-reports-say/
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I don't know all the details but the Palestinians have rejected it as expected. President Trump doesn't seem to understand like prior USA Presidents that the Palestinian extremists simply want Israel to disappear. So sadly there is no realistic peace plan for Israelis to live in peace.
I started a thread on this last evening, but there wasn't much interest. Apparently, the plan calls to carve out a portion of the West Bank and turn it into a Palestinian State, a proposal that Israel and moderate Arabs throughout the region have accepted. As expected, the Hamas-led Palestinians rejected it, since they will never accept a two-state solution in which they must acknowledge Israel's right to exist in peace.
Very good analysis on both your parts. The Palestinian's sole interest is in a "houdna" so they can regroup and attack again. They will reject any plan that makes that impossible.
 
Old 02-02-2020, 01:18 PM
 
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Israel's piecemeal acquisition of territory for economic gain is by design, according to Israeli government documents that were revealed in the media three years ago. It's often been compared to Manifest Destiny in the US West which was justified by the public view that the original owners were inferior beings. It's also often expressed on these forums. People act in desperate ways when they're losing their homes and land.

Israel is trying to legalize its land grab just as the US often tries to manufacture legal pretexts for its invasions in neighboring countries. Without a sovereign entity in place governing the Palestinians and the international law regarding the Israeli settlements, this plan won't have any legal standing in the future. Israel is banking on the US doing its bidding.
Haaretz published a piece today on documents in the government archives on the plan for military to administer lands owned by the Arabs and push them out. As previously reported in the Israeli press several years, it's not being picked in the states in the news again.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...medium=twitter
 
Old 02-02-2020, 02:36 PM
 
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America Walks Back Peace Plan, Israel (and Bibi) Thrown Under a Bus

https://www.jewishpress.com/blogs/mu...us/2020/01/30/
It started out with so much enthusiasm and excitement.

Ambassador Friedman said Israel could begin annexing immediately.

Then there were questions about maintaining the status quo on the Temple Mount while allowing times for Jewish prayers.

Kushner changed his position on something, and now there will be a committee appointed. We all know what that means.

This is being slow-walked.

Will Kushner reenact the Monty Python Minister of Silly Walks?
 
Old 02-04-2020, 09:20 AM
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The Palestinian's sole interest is in a "houdna" so they can regroup and attack again. They will reject any plan that makes that impossible.
The Palestinian leadership extremists will never agree to a peace plan that includes the existence of the State of Israel. Obviously this isn't in the best interest of the ordinary Palestinian Arab people but that is simply the way it is.
 
Old 02-04-2020, 11:27 AM
 
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The Palestinian leadership extremists will never agree to a peace plan that includes the existence of the State of Israel. Obviously this isn't in the best interest of the ordinary Palestinian Arab people but that is simply the way it is.
How is it not in the best interests of ordinary Palestinian Arabs? They will get their own Palestinian State, along with a boatload of money to develop the land and thus enter the 20th century.
 
Old 02-04-2020, 11:54 AM
 
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How is it not in the best interests of ordinary Palestinian Arabs? They will get their own Palestinian State, along with a boatload of money to develop the land and thus enter the 20th century.
You missed her point. The citizens of the territories hove no voice in the matter. Abbas said no just based on the title and that was it. There is no council to discuss it and there will be no referendum on it. The OSLO created Palestinian Authority exists in name only as it only has one member.

In addition the Arabs in Israel want no part of it as they don't want to be part of any future Palestinian State.
 
Old 02-04-2020, 01:03 PM
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You missed her point. The citizens of the territories hove no voice in the matter. Abbas said no just based on the title and that was it. There is no council to discuss it and there will be no referendum on it. The OSLO created Palestinian Authority exists in name only as it only has one member.

In addition the Arabs in Israel want no part of it as they don't want to be part of any future Palestinian State.
My point was that Palestinian Arab leadership doesn't want to do what is in the best interest of their own people as Pruzhany understood correctly.

Israeli Arabs don't want to lose their Israeli citizenship and become part of some Palestinian or other Arab state.
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