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Old 01-28-2020, 04:48 PM
 
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The Constitution also says The Right to Keep and Bear Arms shall NOT BE INFRINGED. You OK with that too?


The right of assembly is different from the conflict of interest Public Sector Unions present. Horrible, invalid analogy.
I am perfectly ok with the 2nd Amendment.

How is there any more conflict of interest for public than for private? Public sector employees are just hired help, hired by those elected into office.

Unions are usually for the grunt workers, not the managers. So the equivalent positions in govt, and some are not elected, but still hired by those elected, are not going to be in union. Or they have their own little clique, like an officer's club.
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Old 01-28-2020, 11:53 PM
 
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I worked in a unionized computer programming position for several years. With the exception of one person every one did their work and got paid overtime when the occasion called for it. After seeing the private sector abuses and broken promises why deprive people of an honest days pay for an honest days work.


Who has taught you that unionized workers are slackers? The very rich who stand to gain from the demise of unions?
Because when firing a union employee becomes next to impossible, and because everyone gets paid the same regardless of merit or results, it breeds laziness and complacency.

And what’s computer programming position is this? First I’m hearing of a computer anything union.
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Old 01-29-2020, 12:03 AM
 
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Illegal?
So in this case it's OK to the regulate the free market?


There are no unionized white collar sweat shops in the United States.
Please just stop. This thread has clearly backfired on you and now you are just making a fool of yourself.
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Old 01-29-2020, 12:11 AM
 
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Exactly. When I first got out of college, the government was the "employer of last resort" - it paid less, but it was safe for marginal workers. Those with smarts, motivation, and discipline went into private. Now everyone other than the very top earners in government make more than those in private industry, and the job security and benefits continue on.
The worst part is we as taxpayers pay for it.
Bernie sanders guaranteed federal jobs... If he wins, we’re all effed.
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Old 01-29-2020, 12:30 AM
 
Location: Eugene, Oregon
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My issue with Unions is the forcing dues to pay for things such as supporting political views. I would have much less issue with unions if they stayed out of politics

Labor unions need all the political help they can get, to hold their own with wealthy, conservative business owners, who would destroy them if they could.
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Old 01-29-2020, 12:44 AM
 
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Outlawing public unions or requiring every pay or benefit raise to be put up for vote would be the most meaningful public policy change in our lifetimes. Public unions are a moral hazard. If you want to unionize against your private sector bosses fine but not against the nameless faceless “taxpayer”. The unions run their people for public office and end up negotiating with themselves. They have already bankrupted countless state and local governments...Look at CT, NJ, and IL for example.
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Old 01-29-2020, 06:15 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Human greed hasn't changed since collective bargaining became the way employees negotiate with management. Who has taught you that unions are a bad thing? The Very Rich? Fox News?

Why do so many of you feel that part of the Conservative agenda includes a need to end the union movement?
The republican party is financed and controlled by CEO's and large corporations, and the republican machine fights for increased financial profits for those groups.

Republicans oppose high min wages, oppose worker safety regulations, oppose environmental regulations, and support supply side/trickle down tax cuts (all of which increase profits for CEO's and large corporations.)

And the large corporations that control the republican party also oppose unions, because unions get workers higher wages (and this reduces corporate profits.)

Republican voters are taught their philosophies by a republican corporate network. This network includes Fox news, Rush radio, corporate think tanks like the Heritage Foundation, and republican politicians financed by large corporations. ex.ex.
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Old 01-29-2020, 06:23 AM
 
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The republican party is financed and controlled by CEO's and large corporations, and the republican machine fights for increased financial profits for those groups.

Republicans oppose high min wages, oppose worker safety regulations, oppose environmental regulations, and support supply side/trickle down tax cuts (all of which increase profits for CEO's and large corporations.)

And the large corporations that control the republican party also oppose unions, because unions get workers higher wages (and this reduces corporate profits.)
Bare *** naked propaganda lol
Just for starters and without too much heavy lifting; didn't the CEO of the Apple Corp. (you may have heard of them) just throw a bunch of money at the Dem party?

Both teams are whores and will take money from whoever is waving it at them.
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Old 01-29-2020, 06:29 AM
 
Location: New Orleans, La. USA
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Outlawing public unions or requiring every pay or benefit raise to be put up for vote would be the most meaningful public policy change in our lifetimes. Public unions are a moral hazard. If you want to unionize against your private sector bosses fine but not against the nameless faceless “taxpayer”. The unions run their people for public office and end up negotiating with themselves. They have already bankrupted countless state and local governments...Look at CT, NJ, and IL for example.
Labor unions made up of teachers, plumbers, carpenters, and electricians give democrats $100's of millions of dollars. And in return democrats support high min wages, healthcare for all, middle class tax cuts, small business tax cuts, small business aid, lowering student loan interest rates, and lowering credit card interest rates (things that help the union members.)
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

GOP Senators Reject Tax Cuts for Middle Class - CBS News
GOP Blocks Senate Small-Business Tax Cut Bill
Republicans BLOCK Bill that would HELP Small Businesses
Senate Blocks Bill to Lower Student-Loan Interest Rates - WSJ
GOP Blocks Credit Card Bill, Endorses Skyrocketing Interest Rates | ThinkProgress


And the Koch brothers corporate network gives republican politicians over $850 million dollars every election cycle. And in return republicans support CEO tax cuts, corporate tax cuts, and corporate deregulation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ntial-election

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetno.../#3607aae765b9
The Trump Tax Cuts Worked (As a Scam)
https://www.ewg.org/release/trumps-e...k#.WiS2k7anHIU
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-...tances-review/



Which political party should a regular working American support?

A.) A political party funded by teachers, plumbers, carpenters, and electricians.
B.) A political party funded by large corporations.
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Old 01-29-2020, 06:31 AM
 
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Labor unions made up of teachers, plumbers, carpenters, and electricians give democrats $100's of millions of dollars. And in return democrats support high min wages, healthcare for all, middle class tax cuts, small business tax cuts, small business aid, lowering student loan interest rates, and lowering credit card interest rates (things that help the union members.)
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php

GOP Senators Reject Tax Cuts for Middle Class - CBS News
GOP Blocks Senate Small-Business Tax Cut Bill
Republicans BLOCK Bill that would HELP Small Businesses
Senate Blocks Bill to Lower Student-Loan Interest Rates - WSJ
GOP Blocks Credit Card Bill, Endorses Skyrocketing Interest Rates | ThinkProgress


And the Koch brothers corporate network gives republican politicians over $850 million dollars every election cycle. And in return republicans support CEO tax cuts, corporate tax cuts, and corporate deregulation.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...ntial-election

https://www.forbes.com/sites/janetno.../#3607aae765b9
The Trump Tax Cuts Worked (As a Scam)
https://www.ewg.org/release/trumps-e...k#.WiS2k7anHIU
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trumps-...tances-review/



Which political party should a regular working American support?

A.) A political party funded by teachers, plumbers, carpenters, and electricians.
B.) A political party funded by large corporations.
D's will shimmy up and down the corporate stripper pole just as quickly as R's
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