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Old 01-27-2020, 03:39 PM
 
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The Democrats are arguing that we can’t wait for an election to get rid of Trump because the election will be influenced by (insert evil country of the day here). If we accept this line of argument, then our whole Republic is in jeopardy. Politicians can from now on claim that a country or even group or person “meddled” in an election. They can use this to ignore polls and opinions of people. They can even use it to throw out elected officials they don’t like or refuse to leave office, saying that the election was corrupted. The Democrats are leading us down a very dangerous path.
They are saying their message is never wrong by claiming interference. That means they ram their head into the ground screaming lalalala to any other message other than what they insist right or wrong is correct
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Old 01-27-2020, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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Does Schiff really believe his own schtick, or is he just trying to bamboozle American voters with it?

I think he's insane enough to really believe it.
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Old 01-27-2020, 03:48 PM
 
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The point most are missing is that Republicans have exposed the Trump administration more than any Democrat. From the Mueller investigation to the Ukraine scandal. Most of the witnesses that testified against Trump are Republicans within his administration or nonpolitical. The folks that started the investigation into the Trump campaign were Republicans. It's convenient to look over that little detail.
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Old 01-27-2020, 03:56 PM
 
Location: My beloved Bluegrass
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The point most are missing is that Republicans have exposed the Trump administration more than any Democrat. From the Mueller investigation to the Ukraine scandal. Most of the witnesses that testified against Trump are Republicans within his administration or nonpolitical. The folks that started the investigation into the Trump campaign were Republicans. It's convenient to look over that little detail.
Then let the voters decide the appropriate remedy for his behavior instead of deciding it’s okay to erase 60+ million citizen’s votes.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:01 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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The Democrats are arguing that we can’t wait for an election to get rid of Trump because the election will be influenced by (insert evil country of the day here). If we accept this line of argument, then our whole Republic is in jeopardy. Politicians can from now on claim that a country or even group or person “meddled” in an election. They can use this to ignore polls and opinions of people. They can even use it to throw out elected officials they don’t like or refuse to leave office, saying that the election was corrupted. The Democrats are leading us down a very dangerous path.
You want to wait for the election results that the President is on trial for trying to get outside parties to interfere with? Really?

And you think he's going to STOP getting outside parties to interfere so that the elections are fair bc...?
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Haiku
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The Democrats are arguing that we can’t wait for an election to get rid of Trump because the election will be influenced by (insert evil country of the day here). If we accept this line of argument, then our whole Republic is in jeopardy. Politicians can from now on claim that a country or even group or person “meddled” in an election. They can use this to ignore polls and opinions of people. They can even use it to throw out elected officials they don’t like or refuse to leave office, saying that the election was corrupted. The Democrats are leading us down a very dangerous path.
Impeachment is not equivalent to facing reelection and letting the public decide. For one thing, lots of evidence came to light only because of the impeachment proceedings. Without them the public would have been ignorant of Trump's perfidies. Trump violated the trust of the American people, or at least the majority of Americans. The minority who elected him still seem enthralled with Trump but with impeachment, unlike the election, majority rules.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:03 PM
 
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Impeachment is not equivalent to facing reelection and letting the public decide. For one thing, lots of evidence came to light only because of the impeachment proceedings. Without them the public would have been ignorant of Trump's perfidies. Trump violated the trust of the American people, or at least the majority of Americans. The minority who elected him still seem enthralled with Trump but with impeachment, unlike the election, majority rules.
What evidence? Lol
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:05 PM
 
Location: So Cal
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Then let the voters decide the appropriate remedy for his behavior instead of deciding it’s okay to erase 60+ million citizen’s votes.
Well you have that one older black guy, Democrat, I forget his name, he's on camera saying that they can't take a chance on waiting for the vote, that Trump might get re-elected and they have to Impeach and remove him. I saw that clip and my mouth hit the floor. That clown doesn't give a rip about the voters choice. Jeez, I think overall we've hit some new lows in the country.
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:15 PM
 
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We'll never be able to agree on whether Trump's conduct is impeachable, but I have a couple broader questions:

1) Given Trump's legal argument that presidents and their cabinet members have "absolute immunity" from Congressional subpoenas and virtually unlimited executive powers in matters of foreign policy and national security, is impeachment ever appropriate under the Constitution?

2) If impeachment is appropriate in certain limited circumstances, what's stopping opponents from arguing in every case that it's an attempt to undo a presidential election and violate the will of the people?

I understand that the narrative about Democrats trying to steal the election resonates with Trump's base because the next election is less than a year away. But what's the acceptable window for a legitimate impeachment? Should parties be careful to impeach only between Years 2 and 3 of the president's term? Is there a sliding scale: for example, you can only impeach in the middle of a term for lying about a blow job, but you can impeach in an election year if the President commits bribery or treason?
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Old 01-27-2020, 04:25 PM
 
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democrats are influencing the next election....sowing doubt...and slandering Trump
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