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Old 01-29-2020, 07:49 AM
 
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How many times does it need to be explained to you that Trump has never asserted Executive Privilege? Directing the entire Executive Branch to disregard subpoenas is not an assertion of Executive Privilege.
You can lie about it as many times as you like, but you'll just keep having to do so because those lies change nothing.

 
Old 01-29-2020, 07:51 AM
 
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Reason #3 why they won't call witnesses: Senators pulled away from the campaign trail for an extended period of time. They want you to THINK they want to call witnesses but it's worse for them if they do.
 
Old 01-29-2020, 07:54 AM
 
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Reason #3 why they won't call witnesses: Senators pulled away from the campaign trail for an extended period of time. They want you to THINK they want to call witnesses but it's worse for them if they do.
They want that to happen, they want to prop up Biden
 
Old 01-29-2020, 07:54 AM
 
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You can lie about it as many times as you like, but you'll just keep having to do so because those lies change nothing.
It isn't a lie. Cipollone's October 8, 2019 letter makes it plain for all to see. It makes no mention of asserting executive privilege, much less identify on a document-by-document basis what materials are alleged to be privileged as required by the process laid out in Oversight Comm. v. Holder. The White House took the position that all subpoenas to the Executive Branch - regardless of whether they sought material to which executive privilege could even possibly apply - were illegitimate and would be ignored.

That is not an assertion of executive privilege in any way, shape or form.
 
Old 01-29-2020, 07:57 AM
 
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We know the answer to this question because Trump did nothing with respect to Biden until the media reported that he was running for President and the polls showed that he would beat Trump handily. The GOP-controlled Congress (hardly an investigation-shy body) did nothing between 2014 and 2018. Trump did nothing in 2017 or 2018. Yet, lo and behold, Biden starts his campaign to challenge Trump and all of a sudden Trump is interested in investigating him.
Is that proof of anything? Maybe it wasn’t brought to his attention until Biden started running? Maybe if it was, he would have done something about it. I dont know these details, do you?
 
Old 01-29-2020, 07:58 AM
 
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It isn't a lie. Cipollone's October 8, 2019 letter makes it plain for all to see. It makes no mention of asserting executive privilege, much less identify on a document-by-document basis what materials are alleged to be privileged as required by the process laid out in Oversight Comm. v. Holder. The White House took the position that all subpoenas to the Executive Branch - regardless of whether they sought material to which executive privilege could even possibly apply - were illegitimate and would be ignored.

That is not an assertion of executive privilege in any way, shape or form.
There was never a legal challenge thus no need to formalize anything, the House accepted that the president exerted executive privilege and dropped the issue rather than going to the courts.
 
Old 01-29-2020, 08:02 AM
 
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There was never a legal challenge thus no need to formalize anything, the House accepted that the president exerted executive privilege and dropped the issue rather than going to the courts.
And again, there was one legal challenge, and that was brought by one of the people (Kupperman) subpoenaed, and the House Democrats not only yanked his subpoena, they demanded the case be dismissed because they had yanked the subpoena.

They not only did not initiate a single legal challenge themselves, they demanded the one legal challenge brought by someone else be dismissed.

You can debate WHY that happened until the end of time, but there is no debate whatsoever that IT DID HAPPEN exactly that way. It's a fact that there is simply no way to get around.
 
Old 01-29-2020, 08:04 AM
 
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There was never a legal challenge thus no need to formalize anything, the House accepted that the president exerted executive privilege and dropped the issue rather than going to the courts.
Let's see a link to where the President asserted Executive Privilege. Or even a link to where the House "accepted" it. I provided you with Cipollone's letter and pointed out it contained no assertion of privilege. What have you got, other than rank speculation?
 
Old 01-29-2020, 08:06 AM
 
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You are comparing two alleged crimes with no connection to each other, with two alleged crimes that are so connected, that the prosecutors mentioned that other crime 400 times during the trial.

Did Trump have a legitimate reason to be going after Biden, OTHER than the election? Were Biden’s crimes so blatant and egregious that Trump would have gone after him whether he was running or not?

The president’s lawyers have the right to fully explore this as part of the defense. It is in the realm of possibility that something he says, might be relevant to that defense.

You guys want to get to the truth or not?
I would be ok with calling Biden to testify if it weren't already a debunked conspiracy theory. He would lay out the facts (we all know them, there was international push for Ukraine to remove a prosecutor who was actually NOT investigating Burisma, nor any criminals, he was paid off) and it would make Trump look ridiculous.

Trump wants to make a circus out of the event to confuse the issue.

Let's make this perfectly clear: there are no mitigating circumstances that can excuse betrayal of the nation by a sitting president. None. He took an oath.

The man is supposed to put the nation first, not his own personal political vendetta first.
 
Old 01-29-2020, 08:12 AM
 
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And again, there was one legal challenge, and that was brought by one of the people (Kupperman) subpoenaed, and the House Democrats not only yanked his subpoena, they demanded the case be dismissed because they had yanked the subpoena.

They not only did not initiate a single legal challenge themselves, they demanded the one legal challenge brought by someone else be dismissed.

You can debate WHY that happened until the end of time, but there is no debate whatsoever that IT DID HAPPEN exactly that way. It's a fact that there is simply no way to get around.
They subpoenaed McGhan in April 2019 as part of the Mueller investigation, Trump is still appealing in the courts. Fighting this in the courts would have easily gone into 2021 well after the election.
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