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that's a nice story but that's not even what has been alleged.
ALL of the witnesses have admitted that
1. No person from the US communicated ANY plan or pressure on the Ukrainians.
2. The Ukrainians never knew about any such plan.
2. The Ukrainians never complied with any such request... that they likely never heard about
3. The Ukrainians received the money before the deadline.
As to your first three claims, they are all contradicted directly by Lev Parnas, who was right in the middle of it all. The Ukrainians knew fully well what the object of Trump's scheme was: the defamation of his perceived political rival and nothing other.
Thus, Ukraine declared they would publicly announce an 'anti-corruption campaign' and were rebuffed: they MUST name Joe Biden and his son as the objects of an investigation! Ukraine balked, but ultimately agreed to Trump's demand. These are desperate times.
As to your fourth claim (somehow marked as #3) the money was not released until well after a congressional investigation was launched on the subject, and Trump realized that Congress had been made aware of the (illegally diverted and hidden) whistleblower report.
Trump had been hiding all of his activities from scrutiny (including the FIRST attempt at extortion with the previous Ukrainian president, Poroshenko) and once his scheme was becoming exposed, he began to backtrack, hoping to claim some plausible deniability.
We have since learned definitively that even the delay of the money was illegal, and we know that delay had put the Ukrainian nation in grave danger and may have also cost many lives.
I have to say I am VERY impressed how you twisted the consistent sold-out attendance at Trump rallies with people waiting on lines for 30 hours stretched for blocks to Sleepy Joe, and the rest of the Democrat clown car candidates that can barely get a room of 25 people to Trump not being popular in the country. Yes, Clinton won the popular vote. With votes in NYC and LA County that gave her those numbers. You remove those two leftist cities and Trump has the popular vote. I know that's never going to happen. The fact remains that Trump is very popular in the 47 states that are in between California and NY.
Trump's base continues to support him more rabidly than they ever did.
Trumps haters on the left continue to hate him more rabidly than they ever did.
As to your first three claims, they are all contradicted directly by Lev Parnas, who was right in the middle of it all. The Ukrainians knew fully well what the object of Trump's scheme was: the defamation of his perceived political rival and nothing other.
Thus, Ukraine declared they would publicly announce an 'anti-corruption campaign' and were rebuffed: they MUST name Joe Biden and his son as the objects of an investigation! Ukraine balked, but ultimately agreed to Trump's demand. These are desperate times.
As to your fourth claim (somehow marked as #3) the money was not released until well after a congressional investigation was launched on the subject, and Trump realized that Congress had been made aware of the (illegally diverted and hidden) whistleblower report.
Trump had been hiding all of his activities from scrutiny (including the FIRST attempt at extortion with the previous Ukrainian president, Poroshenko) and once his scheme was becoming exposed, he began to backtrack, hoping to claim some plausible deniability.
We have since learned definitively that even the delay of the money was illegal, and we know that delay had put the Ukrainian nation in grave danger and may have also cost many lives.
sorry. not gonna work. Levs comments in no way undo the testimony of all the witnesses. There was no communication to the Ukrainians. the Ukrainians have stated that. they didn't do anything and they got the money.
these are simple facts that cannot be undone. period.
sorry. not gonna work. Levs comments in no way undo the testimony of all the witnesses. There was no communication to the Ukrainians. the Ukrainians have stated that. they didn't do anything and they got the money.
these are simple facts that cannot be undone. period.
What testimony did Lev Parnas contradict or "undo"? Cite it.
One of the legitimate arguments being made is that what you call abuse for one President, you would not call abuse by the next President.
Abuse of Office is a road we should not go down. If you do, every President will be accused of abusing his power by the opposite party just for exercising his power.
Did Obama abuse his power by issuing EO's that were determined to be Unconstitutional by the SCOTUS. Then I guess he did. He knew DACA was against US Law but he did it anyway and violated US law.
Abuse of power is always wrong, and investigating it is always the job of congress.
No one is above the law, and we do need a check on the executive. The Congress is that check and the only mechanism at the congress's disposal is oversight and the possibility of being charged with abuse.
So yes, abuse of power is always wrong and yes, if presidents are always abusing their power they should always be called to account for their actions. If we don't want abuse of power charged against every president the answer to that is that the president's own people should call him/her to account, knowing their reputation is on the line. The president should know that if he abuses his position no one, especially no one from his own party, will stand for it.
sorry sleepy. not one of the witnesses stated they heard Trump actually communicate this QPQ. Not one.
THey all said "it was understood" however, the ONLY witness that actually asked the president testified UNDER OATH that when asked "what do you want?" the president replied with "Nothing, I want NOTING"
the facts I have outlined are the same facts Jim Jordan has outlined based on all of the testimony and the entirety of the evidence.
Furthermore, the dems have never alleged anything that is counter to those 4 facts. They have argued that the president TRIED. HE WANTED. they have never suggested he succeeded.
and in the end, the funds were released BEFORE the deadline, WITHOUT the Ukrainians doing a blessed thing. these are simple facts. facts don't need proof. they exist of they don't.
keep listening to Jay Sekulow and ignoring reality
Let's cut through the real chase......the voters will possibly hear testimony under oath about how trump used tax paid money to bribe a country to discredit a campaign opponent and then lied about it.
How do you think the American people will like being used and lied to by a president who is supposed to uphold democracy and truth?
where's your list? ^ this is babble...you're dismissed...
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