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Old 02-03-2020, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Orange County, CA
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Millions? You must be referring to motor vehicles.

Deaths from actual opiates without "mixtures" (with booze, tranqs) and fentanyl are the minority of overdoses. One of the most dangerous drug classes are the ones Docs give out like candy....tranqs.

I'd be surprised if there were even 15K deaths from OD from pure opiates (actual real pharma or real heroin NOT mixtures and brews).
61,000 deaths from Flu in one year recently.
QFT +1000. The dangers from tranquilizers (Benzos such as Xanax, Klonopin, etc.) is being CRIMINALLY understated/under-reported.

The withdrawal from benzos is one of the worst experiences a human being could ever experience, one that makes even opioid withdrawal look like a walk in the park by comparison...
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Old 02-03-2020, 12:29 PM
 
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QFT +1000. The dangers from tranquilizers (Benzos such as Xanax, Klonopin, etc.) is being CRIMINALLY understated/under-reported.

The withdrawal from benzos is one of the worst experiences a human being could ever experience, one that makes even opioid withdrawal look like a walk in the park by comparison...
I agree, if they were truly concerned about public health and safety, they would be targeting the drugs/substances with the highest overdose and death rates, ( that should be common sense actually).


The fact that they are NOT, proves there are other motivating factors.


In truth, they have been lying about the dangers of 'certain' drugs for decades, its nothing new.
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Old 02-03-2020, 01:12 PM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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I agree, if they were truly concerned about public health and safety, they would be targeting the drugs/substances with the highest overdose and death rates, ( that should be common sense actually).


The fact that they are NOT, proves there are other motivating factors.


In truth, they have been lying about the dangers of 'certain' drugs for decades, its nothing new.
Benzodiazepines and opioids both are heavily restricted in medical use now. I dont know about other states but in NV every single prescription for these is tracked.

Both the state and federal DEA know who is prescribed what and by who. Outside of a hospital only specialists will prescribe them. General practitioners wont. They can but they flat wont.

Theres no such thing as doctor shopping for these medications anymore. Even people who truly need them have a lot of trouble getting them.

My doctor and I were discussing this at my last appointment. He told me that since all these new regs went into effect that overdose deaths have spiked up.

There are a few different reasons for that but a big one is that so many pain management patients were just cut off from their meds. So they turned to the streets. Where there is no safety and quality control.

And there are not near enough specialists in pain management to handle the patient load. A lot of these cut off patients were getting their meds through their regular doctor, and GPs just stopped prescribing en masse pretty much overnight.

That left a lot of people in a very bad situation. As it was said benzodiazepine withdrawal is deadly beyond belief. Contrary to what many believe opiate withdrawal can kill as well. It's not a simple mind over matter thing.

And the abusers out looking for a high aren't the ones really being effected by this crackdown. They'll always find a way to get their drugs. But now theres a sudden surge of formerly legitimate patients turning to illegitimate sources without a clue as to what they are getting.

Yea, it's a real mess. Someone who needs pain management is looking at a 3 month lead time for a doctor, if they can find one taking new patients. That's a long time for someone who is really in pain.

And its these people, not the problem children, that all these new laws and regulations are hitting.
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Old 02-03-2020, 01:50 PM
 
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A study that came out in the last year said that for a majority of instances where people were prescribed opiates, Tylenol would’ve been fine instead.

Doctors need to stop handing it out like candy.

For once I can agree with you
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Old 02-03-2020, 10:43 PM
 
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Benzodiazepines and opioids both are heavily restricted in medical use now. I dont know about other states but in NV every single prescription for these is tracked.

Both the state and federal DEA know who is prescribed what and by who. Outside of a hospital only specialists will prescribe them. General practitioners wont. They can but they flat wont.

Theres no such thing as doctor shopping for these medications anymore. Even people who truly need them have a lot of trouble getting them.

My doctor and I were discussing this at my last appointment. He told me that since all these new regs went into effect that overdose deaths have spiked up.

There are a few different reasons for that but a big one is that so many pain management patients were just cut off from their meds. So they turned to the streets. Where there is no safety and quality control.

And there are not near enough specialists in pain management to handle the patient load. A lot of these cut off patients were getting their meds through their regular doctor, and GPs just stopped prescribing en masse pretty much overnight.

That left a lot of people in a very bad situation. As it was said benzodiazepine withdrawal is deadly beyond belief. Contrary to what many believe opiate withdrawal can kill as well. It's not a simple mind over matter thing.

And the abusers out looking for a high aren't the ones really being effected by this crackdown. They'll always find a way to get their drugs. But now theres a sudden surge of formerly legitimate patients turning to illegitimate sources without a clue as to what they are getting.

Yea, it's a real mess. Someone who needs pain management is looking at a 3 month lead time for a doctor, if they can find one taking new patients. That's a long time for someone who is really in pain.

And its these people, not the problem children, that all these new laws and regulations are hitting.
I agree 100% with what you said, its causing the same kinds of problems in KY and OH too.




Something really must be done to stop this! I think the most effective way is for some investigative journalists to dig into the DEA and find documented evidence of them aiding and abetting the foreign criminal cartels, or at least of collusion between the two groups, if they can discredit the DEA, it would de-legitimatize these laws in the process. (A good place to start would be operation Fast & Furious).


Another good way is to simply 'SPREAD THE WORD', I talk to as many people as I can about this topic, I try to make them recognize the problem and who is to blame, ( I have changed the opinion of quite a few people just from explaining my story and what I experienced)...word of mouth works pretty fast and effective if there are many people being negatively impacted by these laws!



I also think disobedience and non-compliance are effective...ultimately THIS IS what American citizens are supposed to do if this kind of corruption is discovered among the Federal Govt, We are NEVER to obey or comply with tyrannical laws or laws that benefit criminals!
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Old 02-03-2020, 10:52 PM
 
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For once I can agree with you
There are privacy laws in place to protect patient information, such as what medication they are taking and what they are being treated for...How would you like it if some law enforcement agency knew the details that were supposed to remain between you and your doctor?


This is why every new patient signs those privacy forms when they see a new doctor, there are spaces provided for the patient to authorize people that are permitted to have access to their treatment details, NO ONE else is permitted to access this information. Violation of these privacy laws are serious.
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Old 02-03-2020, 10:57 PM
 
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Absolutely. I think just about all drugs should be available for purchase.
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Old 02-03-2020, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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I suppose addicts learn their dosage the hard way if they don't OD before it.

I agree with other poster that the average Joe has no clue of dosage, side effects etc and it would be reckless to legalize opioids. Millions would be addicted before they even know it.
It's the person's damn fault if he or she is too lazy to read the dosage instructions on every bottle of OTC drugs bought. A major plus for legalizing street drugs is so such instructions will have to be included. I think most people who have undesirable side effects don't want to repeat the experience.
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Old 02-03-2020, 11:51 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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That is ridiculous.

If all narcotics were available over the counter, the availability would escalate a hundred fold.

Do you really think that flooding the nation with opiates is a good idea?
I wouldn't go buy opiates just because they become legal over the counter. I'd need a painful reason first. I don't buy Everclear just because I can.
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Old 02-04-2020, 12:06 AM
 
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I wouldn't go buy opiates just because they become legal over the counter. I'd need a painful reason first. I don't buy Everclear just because I can.
Those people like to use 'scare tactics' in an attempt to convince others they are right...


but what they are really doing is trying to protect and justify how things are right now (the drug cartels supplying the nation with dangerous, unregulated drugs)...THIS is what they prefer!


They DO NOT want to see these drugs regulated, or taxed, they side with the criminal element basically.
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