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Old 02-03-2020, 04:21 AM
 
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Actually, in a situation like this, I might side with an SJW. There are ways to teach about slave history that doesn't involved having Black kids play slaves in a school play.
Yeah...it’s called TEACHING!
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Old 02-03-2020, 07:28 AM
 
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Wow. You certainly are a fan of that black-on-white revenge porn film. What do you think that says about your psyche?
Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Vengeance. Hell yeah in this case. They enslaved him, they tortured him, they sold his wife to be raped and brutalized. They were doing it it to other slaves. He watched dogs tear a man limb from limb. Even the mild mannered German guy could not keep up the pretense anymore with the visual of the dogs in his head and shot Candy before they could conclude their business and escape with Broomhilda. Which was the plan. Revenge was not until there was no other choice. He could shoot his way out or be enslaved again under even worse conditions than before and watch the same happen to his wife.

And don't you like Westerns? The good guys and the bad guys have a big showdown! Is it 'revenge porn' when the good guys win and I enjoy it?

Or are you getting sentisitive because the bad guys in this case were white?
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Old 02-03-2020, 07:39 AM
 
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Wow. You certainly are a fan of that black-on-white revenge porn film. What do you think that says about your psyche?
Thinking on this some more. Terms like revenge porn or torture porn refer to really graphic depictions. All Django did was do a lot of fancy shooting, like every Western movie hero ever. The graphic depictions were all of black people being brutalized.
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Old 02-03-2020, 12:05 PM
 
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So, were suppose to cast white kids as slaves?

Historical accuracy as best as a person can does not matter anymore?

Well, given Netflix and the BBC think Vikings, Polish, etc, were black given their casting...
Just will note that my child, who is black (as am I) went to an elementary school that was 90% black. They put on a Black History Month show every year and one of my very good friends, who is white, her son was cast as a slave in one of the performances. Her son is white as well. It was a great performance and all the kids did a great job.

FWIW all the kids in that grade were cast as slaves and had to do a choreographed dance to a specific song about working, the play was a musical. So all the kids had on dingy sorts of clothes and brooms and did a dance that mimicked cleaning up. They were in 3rd/4th grade. It was cute but got the point across in the play. The narrator of the play was the black male teacher and it did admittedly make some of our white parents uncomfortable (which was kind of funny to me - many of the narrated portions were speeches/literature by black authors/historians) but no one complained because they knew of the play before the performance for over a month.

And some Vikings were black BTW. Vikings had dealings with North Africa and had slaves and crews from various places in Europe and North Africa at times. So some of them were actually black.

I personally have no issue with my child playing a slave in a play. It doesn't look like this was a school performance and was just in the class. But the idea that a white child cannot play a slave on the same level, is silly IMO. I think the teacher, knowing that people like to complain all the time, should have cast the white children as slaves to avoid all of this.
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Old 02-03-2020, 12:18 PM
 
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Ah! I misunderstood you. My bad. I was seeing snark where there wasnt. I apologize. It would seem we are actually on the same page same book.

Yes, this singular focus on Black slavery in America detracts severely from the lessons we need to be teaching our kids.

It is true that the established institution of slavery in America was centered on Black slaves. They were the ones who were bought and sold and brought here by force from other nations. But it does bear remembrance that it was not America that conquered them and used them as a commodity initially.

There were no Asian "slaves" in the US. The Chinese were treated much like slaves but they came here willingly. Now, in Mexico the Anakin, Korean people, were actually brought in as slaves bought and sold.

Again, whether the subject is slavery or genocide (like American Indians) we need to teach our children that being conquered as a people means those two things are the result.

And a people need not be Black to have that happen. Dancing around the subject in our schools or concentrating solely on pre Civil War Black slavery in America narrows the scope of the lesson we need to teach.

That lesson includes but is not limited to that it is far better to die on your feet than live on your knees.
On above, will just note that there were Asian slaves in the USA. They were very few but did exist. Most were from India and Bangladesh. A recent discovery about Aaron Burr's "mullatto" children and his enslaved mistress has surfaces and been discussed in genealogical circles of which I run.

His enslaved mistress was a woman from India who was enslaved in the USA. Many British people enslaved Indians during the centuries of which they occupied that region and some of them did bring those slaves to the US colonies and those enslaved "East Indians" as they were called, were absorbed in the black community here in the USA.

Native Americans were also held as chattel slaves in the Southeast USA colonies in and sold into slavery in the Caribbean when they rebelled/fought in wars in against colonist.

IMO most Americans don't have a great education about history itself and I honestly don't expect elementary social studies lessons to provide all that much context to history. However, slavery is an important and relevant fact in the history of this nation.

Due to me knowing a lot about the formation of chattel enslavement as an institution only meant for people of African descent, to me it is kind of....I'll say funny in that some people think it is SJW outrage over this incident; yet if we actually taught about chattel enslavement from a factual basis and included information to our elementary aged children about white supremacy ideology and its use/function in the development of the US Constitution and how all our "founding fathers" held racial inferiority views of people of African descent (meaning a significant amount of them felt it was the "place" of Africans to be enslaved and that they were doing a benevolence in enslaving/training them and should be allowed to do so based primarily on that reason) then you all would be up in arms and wanting us to not teach history at all lol.

As I noted above, I have no issue with my black child playing a slave and both my children have played slaves in school plays. I personally don't find slavery anything to be upset about and am grateful that my enslaved ancestors survived the institution. I'd be more interested in knowing the context of the play however. Having them just stand there as "enslaved person 1 or 2" does not provide any context about what slavery was as an institution for all those involved. I also think it is important that all children, including white children are taught that the use of white supremacy ideology not only cause harm to the black populace, but to the white populace as well on a variety of fronts. Many of these were debated in the past and highlighted in speeches and writings of both lay and well known persons in the 18th and 19th centuries.
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Old 02-03-2020, 12:34 PM
 
Location: El paso,tx
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So, were suppose to cast white kids as slaves?

Historical accuracy as best as a person can does not matter anymore?

Well, given Netflix and the BBC think Vikings, Polish, etc, were black given their casting...
I guess they could have put the white kids in blackface...oh, wait...
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Old 02-03-2020, 01:37 PM
 
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I guess they could have put the white kids in blackface...oh, wait...
They don't need blackface.
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Old 02-03-2020, 10:22 PM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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Would it also be non-PC to cast a Arab as "Islamic terrorist" and a Hispanic as "cartel gunman"????
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