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Indian immigrants tend to be the best educated from their country. On the whole a positive asset.
Totally agreed.
Every individual I've ever worked with or known, who is from India, has been an absolute pleasure to deal with. Hard working, smart, personable and overall really good people.
If the job is stopped, the work-visa holder doesn’t go back to India, but instead hangs around and signs on with a new stateside sponsor.
Its not as simple as that. The new sponsor has to apply for new H1B visa, which they have to pick up from the US embassy in India. Often times the sponsor is a contracting company who can place them with another US client.
I thought this was interesting. But it makes me wonder: is this causing a brain drain in India? Canada has been really ramping up the quotas. And from what I hear, enormous amounts of Chinese are coming in annually from Hong Kong.
Well, there have been many Canadians of Indian ancestry for many decades. A fair proportion of them are Sikh, who have the political clout that Canadian politicians will take positions in support, tacitly, of Sikh autonomy or separatism - much to the displeasure of the Indian government. Heck, Trudeau has gotten quite a bit of grief from the Indian goverment over this:
And HK people have been settling in Canada since the 1980s, though it died down until recently; it may have been taking a upswing since the demonstrations last year. Most of them probably already got Canadian passports or permanent residency decades ago.
Raleigh/Durham NC area has attracted many from India. There's been a cricket league in the area for twenty some years.
They seem pleasant enough. However, the only place I really run across many is at Costco where it appears they bring their families to dine at the sample stations.
Shoppers from India roam from sample station to sample station every weekend at our Costco. Often the couple shopping are accompanied by a number of kids with at least one, if not two, sets of parents following along behind.
They'll clear out one sample station, then head to the next one and wait until the rep sets out the next tray.
At first I thought it was newcomers to the area who were fascinated by the different foods available. But over time, I've come to realize it is more likely an inexpensive way to feed the family.
We live near the Canadian border. They come down to shop at our Costco. They would come into the stores to buy up all the milk to bring home. The milk would sit on pallets and would be gone before it was moved to the coolers. Each kid old enough to push a cart would fill theirs along with parents. They also would plug up the gas lines buying fuel in cans to bring home in their mini vans.
We live near the Canadian border. They come down to shop at our Costco. They would come into the stores to buy up all the milk to bring home. The milk would sit on pallets and would be gone before it was moved to the coolers. Each kid old enough to push a cart would fill theirs along with parents. They also would plug up the gas lines buying fuel in cans to bring home in their mini vans.
What Are you the same poster who said they swarm the sample stands and eat everything in sight?
We live near the Canadian border. They come down to shop at our Costco. They would come into the stores to buy up all the milk to bring home. The milk would sit on pallets and would be gone before it was moved to the coolers. Each kid old enough to push a cart would fill theirs along with parents. They also would plug up the gas lines buying fuel in cans to bring home in their mini vans.
LOL. Where is this? I grew up in Canada about an hour from the border, but I never crossed to shop. That would irritate the heck out of me.
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Have two sons in 'tech' field -- different aspects -- one does more research and development in aviation and the other is a senior software enginner for an education application.
Both recruit for their very different companies and have cited the lack of talent available for technical positions within their firms.
Have their companies offered to pay relocation costs? Are they willing to take on an American who lost his/her job to an H1-B---not only that were forced to train their H1-B replacements if they want their severance pay? Some of these experienced Americans have had difficulty getting hired again so some are finding their skills getting rusty. So, are their companies willing to take on such people and help them get up to speed? Finally, are they offering enough money and a good benefits package to attract experienced Americans?
If companies aren't willing to do the above things, then it's clear that they want cheap H1-B labor.
Have their companies offered to pay relocation costs? Are they willing to take on an American who lost his/her job to an H1-B---not only that were forced to train their H1-B replacements if they want their severance pay? Some of these experienced Americans have had difficulty getting hired again so some are finding their skills getting rusty. So, are their companies willing to take on such people and help them get up to speed? Finally, are they offering enough money and a good benefits package to attract experienced Americans?
If companies aren't willing to do the above things, then it's clear that they want cheap H1-B labor.
I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that those displaced Americans don't give a crap about 'benefits package.' The job at this point is the benefit.
There is no such thing as cheap H1-B. Employers are required by law to pay the prevailing rate. Companies started this because they didn't want to be the goats left at the gate while everyone else H-1B'd up, with the thought being Indians were exotic enough to be considered smarter.
So all these Indians are making just as much as you were, in your own cities, except they're the ones with the paycheck.
First, a number can't be "bogus" if it true. Second, you seem to miss the entire point of the article. It is not trying to say that immigrants are smarter than non-immigrants, or that they create patents at a higher rate. It is merely pointing out the fact that immigrants have a great impact on American technological advancement. Whether that is because of their education, creativity or simply due to the sheer number that are in American universities, the fact remains that if you sent all immigrants back to their country of origin, we would likely see a tremendous drop-off in technological innovation.
1. The numbers are bogus because they are not true.
2. The article is not pointing out any impact that immigrants have on American technological advancement because they do not refer to any control group. Those immigrants replaced Americans who might or might not be having a greater impact. But the history of high-tech innovation suggests that the Americans the immigrants replaced would have been much more productive.
3. There is no reason to think that there would be any drop in technological innovation if the immigrants went back to their countries of origin. The article does nothing to quantify the value of the
"innovation" represented by these patents and, again, does nothing to quantify the value of the innovation that Americans would have produced if the universities had poured their resources into them.
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