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Old 02-05-2020, 10:49 AM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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And nor did Trump. Democrats presented no such evidence of intent in that regard. Only presumptions, assumptions, and opinion testimony from "witnesses" of what they "thought" our president meant
Well, let's see if Bolton testifies, shall we?
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Old 02-05-2020, 12:05 PM
 
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Great, now tell us what Shokin did or didn't do to justify the O-admin's actions.
He refused to investigate corruption.

We told y’all this already. SMH
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Old 02-05-2020, 12:08 PM
 
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And nor did Trump. Democrats presented no such evidence of intent in that regard. Only presumptions, assumptions, and opinion testimony from "witnesses" of what they "thought" our president meant
Yes Trump did. He wouldn’t have been impeached otherwise.
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Old 02-05-2020, 12:18 PM
 
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Right, and so did a bunch of Republican Senators and a bunch of international organizations. This thread is pointless as this has already been rehashed dozens of times here. No point in reading the first several pages of this thread because it belongs in the dumpster.
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Old 02-05-2020, 12:31 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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He refused to investigate corruption.

We told y’all this already. SMH
He also, allegedly, tipped off Burisma folks about pending investigative actions at least once.

Then there was the case where he fumbled it so bad that the subject was able to flee the country. I think there were at least one or two more reported examples of his problems while at his post.

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Old 02-05-2020, 12:45 PM
 
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Here is a time restricted link to a google search that yields dozens of articles reported at the time in late 2015 and early 2016 by respected international publications (Foreign Policy, Reuters, Financial Times, BBC, The Economist, Foreign Affairs, etc.) discussing the IMF's and EU's coordination with the US State Department and their formal policy advocating for Shokin's removal. At the end of 2015, the US Ambassador to Ukraine called out Shokin's office in an official statement office for "openly and aggressively undermining reform" memorializing the US position on his removal. At the time the IMF even threatened to withhold $40B in aid unless he was removed.

Read away to your little heart's content, kemosabe.

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Is it democratic to interfere into internal affairs of other countries? By means of wars, “aid” money, a “special ops” government overthrows, social media “protests” incitement, etc, etc.
Really would like to know..
What if the tables are turned on us?
How would you feel about it?
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Old 02-05-2020, 12:52 PM
 
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Is it democratic to interfere into internal affairs of other countries? By means of wars, “aid” money, a “special ops” government overthrows, social media “protests” incitement, etc, etc.
Really would like to know..
What if the tables are turned on us?
How would you feel about it?
Assuming they didn't do it with a corrupt intent (consistent with all the info TEP Limey mentioned), I wish more countries would put diplomatic pressure on the United States citizens to elect a better president than the current one.
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Old 02-05-2020, 12:52 PM
 
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Is it democratic to interfere into internal affairs of other countries? By means of wars, “aid” money, a “special ops” government overthrows, social media “protests” incitement, etc, etc.
Really would like to know..
What if the tables are turned on us?
How would you feel about it?
The question of whether you like US policy is not relevant to the question of whether Biden was furthering US policy (as opposed to his personal interests) when pushing for Shokin’s removal.
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Old 02-05-2020, 03:29 PM
 
Location: East Lansing, MI
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The question of whether you like US policy is not relevant to the question of whether Biden was furthering US policy (as opposed to his personal interests) when pushing for Shokin’s removal.
It's almost like they don't want to understand, isn't it?


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Old 02-05-2020, 03:57 PM
 
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Here is a time restricted link to a google search that yields dozens of articles reported at the time in late 2015 and early 2016 by respected international publications (Foreign Policy, Reuters, Financial Times, BBC, The Economist, Foreign Affairs, etc.) discussing the IMF's and EU's coordination with the US State Department and their formal policy advocating for Shokin's removal. At the end of 2015, the US Ambassador to Ukraine called out Shokin's office in an official statement office for "openly and aggressively undermining reform" memorializing the US position on his removal. At the time the IMF even threatened to withhold $40B in aid unless he was removed.

Read away to your little heart's content, kemosabe.

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Wouldnt be surprised to find "the world" started their ill will toward shokin by a few well placed phone calls by Biden or Obama.
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