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I am not an independent, so I will not vote, but it was an awful moment for her and her caucus. It reverses the narrative that she gets under his skin, and shows that she now knows that she is losing.
it would be hilarious if she ends up getting a censure out of this debacle.
Dems were after Trump from the start. Dems pretended to follow the law on a witch hunt.
This was followed by the GOP pretending to look at the charges before acquitting.
Dems were sure to make something up.
Trump could perform an Aztec sacrifice on the WH lawn in front of TV cameras and the GOP would still acquit.
I'm a spy and I am sure there are other spies like me out there. We get our information wherever we can find it. I get a kick out of using Greenpeace, who I certainly have no love for, sometimes for the data I need.
In any event, I'd rather for the government to be "open" than to encourage them to be closed.
The government is open. Congressional Record exists and nobody knows about it and if they do, they never even glance at it, and that's my point.
You're saying that without an annual summary campaign speech by the President, the citizen would be clueless about their government's goings on. And the fact is that every last word spoken outside of closed door, classified hearings/committees is written down and published in Congressional Record. Every...single...day. Every bill introduced you can see the full text, every legislative action, every vote, every discussion, etc. Totally free, just open a browser and start clicking.
If a citizen wanted to know detailed, minute, exact specifics of their government, they are a dozen or so mouse clicks and 10 minutes of reading away. That's how open this whole thing is. And NOBODY CARES. That's why things like "1 in 5 women will be raped in college" become accepted narratives. A politician making that statement knows for a fact that maybe 1 person in 100,000 will fact check that statement, and even if they try to tell the truth, the politician can count on the other 99,999 telling the pesky fact checker to shut up or just disbelieving because of consensus and confirmation bias.
And a one hour, annual campaign speech will fix all that? You can take the most intentionally and willfully ignorant society in the history of civilization and make them "informed" with a theatrical campaign rally on the floor of the US House once a year?
Even though this is just a small slice poll in a forum I think it probably represents how most Americans see this whole horse and pony show.
Whether you believe it was worth it or not, everyone seems to agree that it either helped nobody or just the Pubs. It was suicide for the Dems just as impeaching Clinton was suicide for the Pubs. While one actually committed crimes the result seems to be identical.
Which is why I won't vote for Trump. That said just because he is an idiot does n to excuse the Speaker.
The excuse but so and so does it? What parent accepts that excuse from their own children?
Reagan said it best. "It's ok to disagree as long as we are civil about it." Or something close to that.
Pelosi is a damned good example of why we need term limits. So is Waters, Rangel, Jackson Lee, McConnell, Graham. They are all in love with their position.
We have not seen civility in decades and that is why we are 22 trillion in debt and divided.
That is 100% accurate and true. Pelosi's behavior was petty and childish. Inexcusable and unprofessional.
Trump was no better, but that doesn't justify how Pelosi behaved. If she had been a grown up, we could simply been discussing Trump's bad behavior now instead of both of theirs.
Start a thread on that because that has nothing to do with Pelosi acting like a spoiled child.
Romney and Trump are no allies and that is a fact. There is no love lost between them.
I wanted to hear witness and I wanted more than what the kangaroo court the Dems created. I had 0 confidence in a system that didn't allow defendant witnesses or in-depth questions. I really have no faith in a bunch who 3 years ago started talking about impeachment. I have no confidence in a result that saw the goal posts moved several times to deliver a result. It can't be done that way in a civilian court. Re-charge or drop the charges.
WE routinely shake down foreign governments for favors. How can you be so naive? Iran is our enemy because we screwed with their elections and government. Half of South America hates us for the same thing.
Absolutely none. That's why using Trump for an excuse for Pelosi's behavior is lame at best. We wouldn't accept such an excuse from our children.
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