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Old 02-07-2020, 12:44 PM
 
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Why can't you understand that it wasn't until after he bragged about doing it in 2018, that the pressure to look into it increased to the point that the people responsible to look into it started doing so? Most people did not see the brag until about the time he announced. Both sides, left and right, have people that don't pay attention to things politicians do until someone shoves it in heir face. But those people on the left don't seem to care if it is one of their own. At least those on the right seem to care more about the country than they do for the party.
If a person did something wrong, knew it was wrong, why would that person publicly brag about it?

Vice-President Biden wasn't acting on his own behalf, he was acting on behalf of the US government. THEY wanted the prosecutor removed, along with several of our allies. Why don't you understand that?
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:46 PM
 
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If the prosecutor was actually conducting an investigation, and not lining his pockets using his office (which is what the international community thought Shokin was doing).

Joe Biden did what he was told to do. There's no corruption there.

Hunter Biden sat on a board of a company headed by a man who was very corrupt, but there is nothing to indicate that Hunter was involved with any corruption himself.

Again, the fact that Hunter Biden joined this board, and that none of the Vice-President's staff objected, demonstrates, in my opinion, incompetence. And that is the issue, for me.
Who told him to do that? Obama? Obama is the only person in the administration above the VP. So, you're saying Obama was part of the corruption?
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:48 PM
 
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If a person did something wrong, knew it was wrong, why would that person publicly brag about it?

You saying Joe Biden is too smart to say something dumb? Not the Joe we all seem to know.

Vice-President Biden wasn't acting on his own behalf, he was acting on behalf of the US government. THEY wanted the prosecutor removed, along with several of our allies. Why don't you understand that?
Who in the US government had the power to tell Joe to do that? The only person above him in the chain of command was Obama. Is he corrupt too?
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:48 PM
 
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Why can't you understand that it wasn't until after he bragged about doing it in 2018, that the pressure to look into it increased to the point that the people responsible to look into it started doing so? Most people did not see the brag until about the time he announced. Both sides, left and right, have people that don't pay attention to things politicians do until someone shoves it in their face. But those people on the left don't seem to care if it is one of their own. At least those on the right seem to care more about the country than they do for the party. And before you say I could be talking about what Trump has done, remember that the left's criticism of Trump is hat he wanted to initiate and investigation into the Biden Burisma controversy. It is the job of a president to oversee stuff like this.
Why can't you understand that Congress knew about the initiative to have Shokin removed, Biden being the point man for Ukraine AND Hunter being on the board of Burisma when it happened?

It didn't become "obvious corruption" until he decided to run against Trump. Not even while he was still the Vice President of the United States.

You think a possible POTUS, out of a field of more than a dozen, presents a bigger threat/issue than the actual Vice President would? Where's the logic in that position?
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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Some of you business types that know how to do it should draw up an organizational chart and see where Joe fit in.
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:53 PM
 
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He didn't blackmail Ukraine and as usual you left out all the details on the Shokin firing, are you going tell the full story or just Trumps version.
Define "blackmail" for us.
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:53 PM
 
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Why can't you understand that Congress knew about the initiative to have Shokin removed, Biden being the point man for Ukraine AND Hunter being on the board of Burisma when it happened?

It didn't become "obvious corruption" until he decided to run against Trump. Not even while he was still the Vice President of the United States.

You think a possible POTUS, out of a field of more than a dozen, presents a bigger threat/issue than the actual Vice President would? Where's the logic in that position?
The VP only answers to the congress in the same way that Trump does now. He does what he feels is in his power to do and if he exceeds that authority it is up to the Congress to impeach. But they better have the goods. Do you see why, yet?
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:54 PM
 
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It’s based on contemporaneous accounts reported by a dozen international news agencies at the time. It’s based on documents - signed by Republican Senators - pushing for Shokin’s during in furtherance of US foreign policy. It’s furthered by sworn testimony from career diplomats confirming that Shokin was corrupt. It’s furthered by formal statements issued by the IMF and EU at the time pressing for his removal. It’s furthered by people who were working under Shokin who resigned because Shokin was actively undermining anti-corruption efforts.

Given the weight of the evidence to the contrary, the idea that Biden had Shokin fired to further his son’s personal interests is an absurdity that only the most weak minded of gullible fools could possibly buy into. There is, quite literally, no evidence that Biden was doing anything but advancing US foreign policy at the behest and direction of the State Department. Relying on empty innuendo will not change that fact.
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Old 02-07-2020, 12:57 PM
 
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Why can't you understand that Congress knew about the initiative to have Shokin removed, Biden being the point man for Ukraine AND Hunter being on the board of Burisma when it happened?

It didn't become "obvious corruption" until he decided to run against Trump. Not even while he was still the Vice President of the United States.

You think a possible POTUS, out of a field of more than a dozen, presents a bigger threat/issue than the actual Vice President would? Where's the logic in that position?
Even if the Congess could tell Joe to go over there and do what he did, if Joe had considered there might be a conflict of interest to do that, why didn't he say, maybe I shouldn't? I can see someone outside of the administration telling Joe it might be a good idea to get the prosecutor fired, and Joe, thinking about his son's position, says to himself, Maybe I'd better not do that. Sure, that's the way it went down.
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Old 02-07-2020, 01:01 PM
 
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Actually, this discussion here is all for Naught, because the Republicans in the Senate, thanks to the Pelosers in the house, are starting to gather evidence to look into the Ukraine situation with the Bidens. It's out of the bag now.
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