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Old 02-07-2020, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Originally Posted by Volobjectitarian View Post
Look at video = complete.

Reflection = liberal/left slanted summary that omits way more than it admits, and uses subjective description as statement of fact.

Rebuttal: First of all, Lincoln was no special friend to slaves or blacks in general, and there are quotes aplenty that affirm this. He was also an unabashed totalitarian whenever the mood struck him, which was often. This too is well documented.

The fat cat narrative is also ironic given the editorial that comes right before it about "fighting the Civil War to save the Republic!" That wasn't what the Civil War was about at all. The Union didn't care about the Republic, they cared about the money that came from the export of cotton and other agriculture staples from the CSA. The secession of those 11 states put a serious dent in the Northern economy, as well as the US trade balance with Europe. Ending slavery and "saving the Republic" were marketing slogans around the real purpose of the war - bring those southern states to heel and renew cashing in on their agri-business.

The point being, fat cats wanting paid was happening in the North long before Lincoln and his Republican party. In fact, the entire reason we have things like the 10th Amendment, the Electoral College, etc is because the anti-federalists and anti-constitution folks of the pre-Constitution colonies didn't want the fat cats of the three richest colonies running everything based on their power and money.

Next rebuttal - FDR didn't rescue the US from the Great Depression. He made it worse and also last longer. That's also well documented. The person most directly responsible for alleviating the Great Depression, worldwide mind you, was Adolf Hitler. Nothing gets an economy humming along like cranked up military spending. Plus, all the bombs tat blow stuff up serve two really useful economic purposes. First, you need to build more bombs to replace the ones already used, and second, all the stuff that those bombs blew up will need rebuilt. War is a fantastic economic booster. Give Hitler the credit he deserves for rescuing the world from global depression, because he got that ball rolling for everyone.

Plus, virtually everything FDR implemented in the US prior to the war, that was making the Depression worse, was his plagiarizing of the NSDAP's 25 points primarily. He was riffing off Hitler, and doing so poorly because the good stuff wasn't done enough and he tried to avoid all the bad stuff that Hitler and his Nazis accepted as the price to pay for economic reset.

Next point - notice how quickly we jump forward in time? Went right from the "uh oh, here come the fat cats in the North who are all Republican" point to 1929. Uhm, that leaves out at least three very important things relative to the growth of government - Woodrow Wilson's dawning of the Progressive era, the 16th Amendment, and the contrast between the small government & non-meddlesome Coolidge and the big government, pro meddling Hoover.

Also, the three biggest expansions of the welfare state happened under Wilson, FDR and LBJ. Much of what gets blamed on Republicans stems from those three expansions. I do blame them 100% for jumping onboard the welfare state graft/racketeering train the Democrats were running, no doubt. That said, the train itself was built, hooked together and started rolling by Democrat power.

Final analysis = like all things partisan, that video depends almost entirely on the ignorance of the person watching it. If you aren't wildly ignorant about US history, particular political history, then it's just this week's latest "why GOP am teh badz, omfgroflbbq!!" offering that will be 100% approved by left partisans and 100% denied by right partisans.

^^^^^This deserves to be repeated. All of it.

 
Old 02-07-2020, 09:09 AM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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Originally Posted by antinimby View Post
And the Democrat Party went from JFK, who was fighting against the communists to now a party full of socialist/communist sympathizers like Warren, Sanders, AOC, etc.
Right wingers at the time hated Kennedy because he was too liberal. Supported the UN. Was in favor of civil rights, supported social security and the idea that would become medicare and on and on.

Just because he was a cold warrior doesn't mean the right wingers didn't think he was some what of a socialist on the domestic platform.
 
Old 02-07-2020, 09:14 AM
 
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vox = infowars
 
Old 02-07-2020, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Denver CO
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From Lincoln to Trump is an improvement. Trump is not a great president or a particularly decent person, but Lincoln trampled all over the constitution and individual rights (I'm not even talking about the Confederacy here). You want to talk about abuse of power, look at Lincoln's presidency.
 
Old 02-07-2020, 09:48 AM
 
Location: USA
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Originally Posted by eddie gein View Post
Right wingers at the time hated Kennedy because he was too liberal. Supported the UN. Was in favor of civil rights, supported social security and the idea that would become medicare and on and on.

Just because he was a cold warrior doesn't mean the right wingers didn't think he was some what of a socialist on the domestic platform.
Odd, as Bernie, the Socialist Hero of the left despised JFK, as to his position was opposed to Castro and his Communists.
 
Old 02-07-2020, 09:49 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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It's pretty general and there is plenty left out. The attempt is to re-educate based on an agenda.
Yea. Sums it up pretty well. The actual truth of Lincolns presidency isnt taught in schools now and the revisionist take is now touted as the truth. The actual truth is a bit less glowing.

Following Lincoln Grant was everything and more what the radical left is making Trump out to be. Talk about crony capitalism.

Shall we make a slightly different comparison? A Civil War and post era Democrat and a 21st century model. How about William Tweed and Nancy Pelosi? That's a far better comparison than Trump and Lincoln.

I believe it was Tweed, a staunch Democrat, who said " one half of the poor can always be hired to kill the other half," or something to that effect.

Historical comparisons these days are really rather useless. At least to my mind. History has been so doctored in its modern form so as to be Hollywood fiction. Pretty much what the far left wants to present.

True history doesn't fit the leftist narrative. Not at all. Little facts such as the Democrats being the party of the Klan, Lincoln did NOTfree the slaves, Grant rented out the services of the Army to corporate interests, all stricken from the records.

This video is just more of the same.
 
Old 02-07-2020, 10:00 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Chicano3000X View Post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8VOM8ET1WU

What do you guys think? This has been talked about on this forum before...
Yea, its come a long way. Linc would punch Trump in the face if he was around.
 
Old 02-07-2020, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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It's called progress. Two great presidents for two very different times.
 
Old 02-07-2020, 10:14 AM
 
Location: Long Island, N.Y.
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Lincoln and Trump, the two most HATED presidents by the Democrats.

What a coincidence.
 
Old 02-07-2020, 10:19 AM
 
Location: Honolulu/DMV Area/NYC
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Originally Posted by SeaMaj7 View Post
Lincoln and Trump, the two most HATED presidents by the Democrats.

What a coincidence.
That is another way to look at things
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