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Old 02-09-2020, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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The difference between socialism and communism is the same difference between a rat and a squirrel. Both rodents but one has a cute outfit.
So you still don't understand the difference.

How do you feel about Social Security and Medicare? Every working person pays into it and every retiree gets the benefits. Do you think that is a bad deal? Is it bad for our country in your eyes?
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Old 02-09-2020, 09:47 AM
 
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So you still don't understand the difference.

How do you feel about Social Security and Medicare? Every working person pays into it and every retiree gets the benefits. Do you think that is a bad deal? Is it bad for our country in your eyes?
Why are you ingoring the coercion that is required to fund those mostly bankrupt schemes?
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Old 02-09-2020, 09:48 AM
 
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So you still don't understand the difference.

How do you feel about Social Security and Medicare? Every working person pays into it and every retiree gets the benefits. Do you think that is a bad deal? Is it bad for our country in your eyes?
There is no correlation between what someone is forced to pay and what they take out. Can you say "immoral"?
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Old 02-09-2020, 09:51 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Why do Americans hate democratic socialism so much and like Capitalism? Does capitalism work?
No one likes to be the PROPERTY of others.
I should ask... Do you?


The Can Do's v. the Won't Do's, forcing the Can Do's
If I can force you to do what I want, under the threat of violence without retaliation, I own you. You are MY PROPERTY.
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Old 02-09-2020, 09:55 AM
 
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They don't. They hate the words, not the practice. Many don't understand the words.

Pure Socialism does not exist
Pure Capitalism Does not exist.

Does Capitalism work? A very capitalistic leaning economy is the best system. It is not perfect, nothing is. But in general, as much as we can get to free market economies, it's good. That said, completely unrestrained capitalism doesn't work. And too much regulation also doesn't work.


Many on the right say they are for unrestricted capitalism, but these are the same people that are not in favor of globalism. Unrestricted globalism is a pure form of capitalism, and correctly, we can't have it (not fully unrestricted, anyway). If we did, then there would be no talk of third world labor taking our jobs, as that would be pure capitalism at work.

Many on the left think they are for socialism, but they too want to make a buck and get ahead.


IN the end, people on both sides seem to not understand the words they think they live by.
Good Post.
We do not have capitalism and certainly not free market capitalism.
More like corporatism where everything is controlled by big business.

Corporatism has more in common with Communism than it does Capitalism.

In Communism, the state runs everything.
In corporatism, big business runs everything using the government as their stick.
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:04 AM
 
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Without capitalism, we wouldn't have companies that make electronics, household cleaning products, etc...
By that reasoning Socialist and Communist Countries are Capitalist?
They all have companies making those things as well.
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:08 AM
 
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Socialism - a race to the bottom where only the politians remain on top.

Capitalism - a race to the top where only the lazy and some unlucky remain at the bottom.
Corporatism - a race to see how many can buy off as many politicians as they want to make them richer.
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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There is no correlation between what someone is forced to pay and what they take out. Can you say "immoral"?
Our country would be a mess without those two programs, I wouldn't call them immoral.
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:21 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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There is no correlation between what someone is forced to pay and what they take out. Can you say "immoral"?
So when you get old, you will refuse Social Security and Medicare because you think they are immoral programs?

BTW, there are no private health insurance programs for those over 65 besides Medicare.

(A very few employers provide some coverage as secondary insurance if you are still working but those people are not retired.)
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:31 AM
 
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So you still don't understand the difference.

How do you feel about Social Security and Medicare? Every working person pays into it and every retiree gets the benefits. Do you think that is a bad deal? Is it bad for our country in your eyes?
Please explain to me the morality of forcing people at gunpoint to pay other people’s expenses.
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