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Old 02-09-2020, 05:36 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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What's everyone saying here about blacks not voting for Buttigieg because he's gay? Is the claim that blacks are more prejudiced against gays than whites are? If so, that's odd. You would think that a people who have seen or experienced the consequences of prejudice would be less likely to be prejudiced against others.
Wow - you would think so - but it ain’t so. Is it?
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:41 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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In the black community..........homosexuality isn’t looked at positively. That said, there are homosexuals who are racist. BLACK LGBTQ folks have had to form their own support groups because they aren’t accepted by the larger population.
They may not be -traditional church goers would still say it’s sinful - but they would accept them politically, especially if shows himself as a good leader.
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:41 PM
 
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Trump got 8% of the Black vote, less than what Bush II got. And less than 15% of the Black male population supported Trump. And then consider the voter participation rate dropped.
Yes you stand correct. I remmeber hearing taht Trump got more than 10 percent to 15 percent of the black vote. You stand correct. Voter participation did drop. I'm no Trump fan but I expect Trump to recieve close to 1/4 black male vote this time aroud, that is roughly 1.5 percent of the U.S population, thats nothing but a drop in the bucket.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37922587
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:43 PM
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I'm sure the number cruncher for the GOP is a little worried that black people have got it in for Trump. In 2008 black people may have comprised 12% of the population but they were 13% of the vote. If the black vote is as high as it was for Obama Trump will lose. They'er just trying to see which Democrat has that Obama ring to it; Obuttigieg, Obernie, Obloomberg, Obiden sounds real good .
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:48 PM
 
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I'm sure the number cruncher for the GOP is a little worried that black people have got it in for Trump. In 2008 black people may have comprised 12% of the population but they were 13% of the vote. If the black vote is as high as it was for Obama Trump will lose. They'er just trying to see which Democrat has that Obama ring to it; Obuttigieg, Obernie, Obloomberg, Obiden sounds real good .
The problem is that Bernie, Bloomberg and Buttigieg dont fit well with certain aspects of the black population. Bloomberg has to atone for stop and frisk in NYC which put thousands of black men behind bars. Bloomberg wont fit well with woke blacks who stem from academic circles who have a huge influence in media and social media spaces. Buttigieg is gay and wont fit well with the large democrat voting body of the conservative black church. As for Bernie Sanders, he wont fit well with black academics due to the fact he is a straight white male, and for many blacks in America, are not big into socialism. Progressive blacks will vot for Bernie though. The black vote will need to work hard in the sun or bible belt to have a signficant chance to put a democrat on top in 2020. Likewise for swing states in the rustbelt region.

Buttigieg will do well with blacks who identify as woke due Buttigieg being gay man.
BIden will do well with the black church and corporate blacks.
Bernie will do well with progressive blacks.
Bloomberg will also do with the black church and corporate blacks.

And remember the democrate party is divided into three factions. Corporate moderate dems, the progressives and than you have the woke democrats. Right now woke democrats are starting to fracture with progressives due to strong straight white male presence in the progressive arena, and believe that striaght white males, straight men and white woman must take a back seat.

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Old 02-09-2020, 10:27 PM
 
Location: London
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In the black community..........homosexuality isn’t looked at positively. That said, there are homosexuals who are racist. BLACK LGBTQ folks have had to form their own support groups because they aren’t accepted by the larger population.
I notice a lot of black Americans are deeply religious, usually either Christian or Muslim, both religions that historically haven't been gay friendly.
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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What I find picular about the African American is that they are culturally conservative, but still vote Democrat. Many African Americans are just as conservative as white Americans who vote Republican. During the 2020 national election. I expect about 1/4 - 1/3 African American American to vote for Trump at most. While the remainder of black men and 99 percent of African American women will vote Dem.
I have made this point before. No more than 10 percent of blacks ever vote republican. However what you say is true, many blacks are socially conservative just like us rural whites are. I have also made the point that blacks are no different than whites in the respect that lower taxes and regulations help them in the same way it helps everyone else. The point I am trying to make is there is a huge potential for conservatives among black people. We don’t try because we think they hate us but if we can just convince 20 percent of them to support republicans instead of the 10 percent we get now it would be a huge conservative victory. We are talking about a lot of people and maybe enough to affect elections.

Those blacks who are interested in the SJW causes, banning confederate flags, sympathizing with BLM, and demands for more aid and programs are never going to be changed and to be honest we don’t want them anyway. They are nothing but trouble. The folks we should be interested in are the rest of the black population that works hard and holds the above said socially conservative values. We conservatives need to keep talking to them, I know we can take millions of these voters from the enemy. We can convince them to vote for their own self interest and values. We conservatives need to commit ourselves to this effort, over the long term this effort could save America from socialism.

Everything said above also applies to Hispanics. As religious and socially conservative as they are we should have them in our camp. Trump has really screwed up with them but we must remember how much president Bush (W) had done to win them over. We need to get to work on that effort again as well.
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Old 02-09-2020, 10:52 PM
 
Location: Brackenwood
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I've thought about something else. I've wondered the value of telling both parties to take a hike. If Blacks pulled their votes from both parties and put their vote to an independent party or their own party, I wonder if this would get both parties to wake up. I would like to talk abotu D vs R later. However, I figured if neither party got the Black vote, if both parties would have to strategize elsewhere. Or perhaps other people would follow behind that party?
This is an excellent strategy for political self-neutering.
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Old 02-09-2020, 11:06 PM
 
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Joe Biden essentially told the other Democrats at the debate that African Americans were "his", so back off.


Can't imagine supporting a politician who would think that way about me.
African Americans overwhelming support Biden. That's just a fact. There aren't many African Americans in Iowa and New Hampshire though. Why the heck are these 2 states so important. Ok, another topic. Sanders, Warren and mayor Pete will never get the majority of their vote which is key to winning. I love mayor Pete but because he's gay, he won't win the nomination because some just aren't ready for a gay president.
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Old 02-09-2020, 11:11 PM
 
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I have made this point before. No more than 10 percent of blacks ever vote republican. However what you say is true, many blacks are socially conservative just like us rural whites are. I have also made the point that blacks are no different than whites in the respect that lower taxes and regulations help them in the same way it helps everyone else. The point I am trying to make is there is a huge potential for conservatives among black people. We don’t try because we think they hate us but if we can just convince 20 percent of them to support republicans instead of the 10 percent we get now it would be a huge conservative victory. We are talking about a lot of people and maybe enough to affect elections.

Those blacks who are interested in the SJW causes, banning confederate flags, sympathizing with BLM, and demands for more aid and programs are never going to be changed and to be honest we don’t want them anyway. They are nothing but trouble. The folks we should be interested in are the rest of the black population that works hard and holds the above said socially conservative values. We conservatives need to keep talking to them, I know we can take millions of these voters from the enemy. We can convince them to vote for their own self interest and values. We conservatives need to commit ourselves to this effort, over the long term this effort could save America from socialism.

Everything said above also applies to Hispanics. As religious and socially conservative as they are we should have them in our camp. Trump has really screwed up with them but we must remember how much president Bush (W) had done to win them over. We need to get to work on that effort again as well.
Question. Why does banning confederate flags make one not conservative? If I said banning xmas manager scenes you would say I am liberal. How come?
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