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Old 02-12-2020, 01:26 PM
 
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lower undergraduate GPA/MCAT -> lower medical school entry standards -> lower medical school GPA -> lower step 1 scores

USMLE step 1 scores have been a disgrace for URM candidates.
Not anymore.
https://www.usmle.org/inCus
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Old 02-12-2020, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Eastern Tennessee
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The dumbing down of medicine is not good news for patients.
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Old 02-12-2020, 04:14 PM
 
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and what do we do when all those subpar students start to fail their classes. Do we then argue we should grade them easier? I'm sure that won't have any repercussions down the line.
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Old 02-12-2020, 04:22 PM
 
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The dumbing down of medicine is not good news for patients.
But more doctors can help lower cost and the top tier ones are still there.
If dems get any of their healthcare items passed we will need many more doctors or suffer long wait times like canada and UK.
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Old 02-12-2020, 04:30 PM
 
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It had a passing score defined before, so pass/fail isn't much different than getting a passing score or non-passing score.
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Old 02-12-2020, 05:03 PM
 
Location: Jewel Lake (Sagle) Idaho
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and what do we do when all those subpar students start to fail their classes. Do we then argue we should grade them easier? I'm sure that won't have any repercussions down the line.
Just like high school-pass them on until they graduate. Particularly if the failing students are a protected minority.
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Old 02-12-2020, 05:53 PM
 
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Exactly. What liberals are trying to do is hide how much worse the URMs getting in under affirmative action do on these exams. In fact, med schools track the "lesser-qualified" who got in under lower standards, and they need a lot of hand-holding throughout medical school. The last thing med schools want people to know (especially the whites and Asians with higher grades who didn't get in) is just how much more poorly the AA-admitted students perform.
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Old 02-12-2020, 05:56 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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It had a passing score defined before, so pass/fail isn't much different than getting a passing score or non-passing score.
Yes, this is not really a big deal other than how it will affect residency program selection. They generally looked at USMLE #1 and #2... but #2 was the biggie.
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Old 02-16-2020, 09:23 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale
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Exactly. What liberals are trying to do is hide how much worse the URMs getting in under affirmative action do on these exams. In fact, med schools track the "lesser-qualified" who got in under lower standards, and they need a lot of hand-holding throughout medical school. The last thing med schools want people to know (especially the whites and Asians with higher grades who didn't get in) is just how much more poorly the AA-admitted students perform.
Affirmative action is a flawed policy based on Nixon's form of social engineering. He promoted affirmative action and quotas for underrepresented minorities because he genuinely believed they were not smart enough to keep up with white students. So, his programs "lowered the bar". This propagated into college admissions throughout the 70s to 90s.

By 2000, some state universities realized that affirmative action actually doesn't help minorities. So, there are states like Florida that outlawed affirmative action. The outcome in those states was usually positive:

* There were less minority students but they were far more likely to graduate
* The minority students rejected for admission went to community colleges where they did much better. If they did well, then some transferred back into state universities as juniors (very common in Florida).
* The stigma against minority students faded.
* The resentment by white and Asian students faded - students generally got along much better
* The minority students who do not need affirmative action for admission because they have grades and test scores compatible with the rest of the class usually do very well with high graduation rates

So, affirmative action has been detrimental for minorities. A good analogy is the Bolder Boulder 10k race. If a runner in the "F" wave at about 55 minutes of time for a 10k is placed with the "A" wave which runs at about 38 minutes for a 10k, then the runner will burn out quickly. The best thing is just to put the runner in the "F" wave. If the runner improves, then in future races the runner could gradually get into faster waves. At some point, the runner could actually do the "A" wave. If not, they are at least matched to more realistic waves. Affirmative action (in some cases), is like putting a runner from the slower "F" wave into the "A" wave in a mismatch. AA has been like a mismatch. I know because I have seen this happen many times in elite STEM programs. I am a brown, "4/4" Native American from a reservation.
https://www.heritage.org/courts/comm...ority-students

As for the minorities who do not need affirmative action, they are often lumped into the category of "unqualified' like the others. Hence, they wind up sharing the stigma even though it is not justified. So, with AA outlawed they don't have to deal with that as much like in Florida.

In summary, AA did not start as a social, liberal policy by Democrats. The modern form can actually be traced back to the racist views of President Nixon. Thankfully, it was outlawed in some states.
https://slate.com/human-interest/201...t-working.html
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Old 02-16-2020, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Affirmative action is a flawed policy based on Nixon's form of social engineering. He promoted affirmative action and quotas for underrepresented minorities because he genuinely believed they were not smart enough to keep up with white students. So, his programs "lowered the bar". This propagated into college admissions throughout the 70s to 90s.

How does that differ from the views and actions of today's modern democrats??
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