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Yes, we cannot afford to have one loose cannon individual to take US to a massive war. The last stunt resulted to 100 US casualties.
really no reason to go there.
109 soldiers were treated for symptoms of traumatic brain injury - most deemed "mild". that number could possibly rise, though certainly most have been looked at. and if no symptoms here a month later, unlikely to develop them.
of the 109, 76 have been cleared to return to duty.
Yes, Trump in the days following Iran's rockett attack declared "no casualties", but at the time - that's what the military was saying (even on news reports from the damaged base).
Does Congress have the authority to declare war, and should it remain there? Absolutely.
Good. Can we defeat Iran? Probably, but only if you are willing to go in deliberately trying to kill them all off. Otherwise it is a giant quicksand trap of people who believe a suicide bomb leads to an eternal sex party. Taking ground is relatively easy, holding it nearly impossible unless you are willing to kill millions.
The predecessor to British Petroleum, had a long term arrangement with Iranian royalty to take its oil and pay Iran pennies on the dollar. Royalty lived like royalty while most people lived in desperate poverty. A new prime minister said No More. And cooled to any outside interference. He put Iran first. Churchill attempted to gain support from Truman to take out the prime minister. Truman did not bite.
Eisenhower however did and authorized the CIA to organize a coup in Iran and put its puppet dictator, the last Shah, in power in 1953. Clinton confirmed it 47 years later and it was confirmed 60+ years later when the US federal government finally released documents confirming it.
The CIA bribed Iranian media to print false allegations against Prime Minister Mossadegh.
The last Shah restored Britain’s control over Iranian oil and profit and was rewarded for it. The elite lived well. The majority, not so much. The seeds of a revolution were planted. Using religion to control the masses is ancient strategy used throughout the world
The last Shah fled the country as did the elite.
There is a tendency for Westerners to view Islam as one unified religion. Nothing could be further from the truth about any religion. Unlike the majority of Muslims, most Iranians are Shia, not Sunni. This goes back to the succession of Mohammed and has put Iran at odds with their neighbors, Arab Muslims, especially Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia, not Iran, is the home of the most extreme form of Islam- State sanctioned Wahhabism.
The EU and US agreed to return what remained of Iran’s frozen assets in exchange for agreement to not pursue nuclear weapons, subjecting itself to ongoing inspections. Iran was in compliance and Trump’s SoS confirmed it.
Nonetheless, Trump and his Saudi pals were not happy.
Trump and the media that feeds off him persist in the false narrative that the funds returned to Iran were tax payer monies. They ignore most of Iran’s previously frozen assets were in central banks in Europe. There were no pallets of USD. Iran insisted on Euro and Swiss currency. They ignore that most of Iran’s frozen assets were returned to Iran in 1981.
In terms of an invasion, Iran is a substantially mountainous country and most of the population lives in the mountains. Many, many US lives will be lost.
No one has declared war on Iran and no one will.
That lesson was learned many years ago when France declared war on Germany. That gave Germany the green light to launch a full scale attack, and as a result the French and British were chased across France to Dunkirk.
No one is talking about giving Iran the green light by declaring war. There are some NeverTrumpers who enjoying screaming into the sky about war, but they are outlying nutcases.
But you didn't seem to care a few years ago, because Obama is god to you.
Obama wasn’t about to get us in a war with Iran. Big difference. He tried to mitigate tensions with Iran, not aggravate them.
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Originally Posted by ottomobeale
Good. Can we defeat Iran? Probably, but only if you are willing to go in deliberately trying to kill them all off. Otherwise it is a giant quicksand trap of people who believe a suicide bomb leads to an eternal sex party. Taking ground is relatively easy, holding it nearly impossible unless you are willing to kill millions.
We can’t defeat Iran. If we could, we would’ve done it already. At best, we’d just kill a bunch of people and end up in a bloody guerrilla war that would last forever.
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Big win for Iran, the cause of global terrorism, and as a result, congressional Democrats.
It’s a win that you’re better off giving them. Because if there’s a war, we ain’t winning it. Take that to the bank.
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No one has declared war on Iran and no one will.
That lesson was learned many years ago when France declared war on Germany. That gave Germany the green light to launch a full scale attack, and as a result the French and British were chased across France to Dunkirk.
No one is talking about giving Iran the green light by declaring war. There are some NeverTrumpers who enjoying screaming into the sky about war, but they are outlying nutcases.
That’s ridiculous.
If you keep raising the stakes and heightening hostilities, war is an inevitability. It’s unavoidable. The Iranians absorbed the loss of Qasem Soleimani and responded proportionally, but you’d better not expect them to remain equanimous in the face of constant humiliation heaped on them by the United States.
The only real way to keep this from happening is to put the cuffs on Trump and stop his impetuous, child like behavior. Killing Soleimani was a very stupid provocation, and his administration STILL hasn’t produced the evidence for their claims for killing him. And no, he wasn’t a terrorist.
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Originally Posted by phma
Its nothing more that congressional overreach !!!
The executive branch has the authority to respond when attacked by a foreign power !!!
109 soldiers were treated for symptoms of traumatic brain injury - most deemed "mild". that number could possibly rise, though certainly most have been looked at. and if no symptoms here a month later, unlikely to develop them.
of the 109, 76 have been cleared to return to duty.
Yes, Trump in the days following Iran's rockett attack declared "no casualties", but at the time - that's what the military was saying (even on news reports from the damaged base).
Does Congress have the authority to declare war, and should it remain there? Absolutely.
Plenty can be done militarily w/o declaring war. I think this is a head fake to something Trump has up his sleeve.
Just keep squeezing them more and more economically, until they collapse financially, and the citizens (many of whole hate the Ayotallahs) can take back their country from the religious radicals.
Iran's economy is almost entirely dependent upon oil, and we are restricting those sales a lot. Eventually, they'll need to attack us, or starve to death, and then we can lower the boom on them.
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