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Old 02-14-2020, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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If it’s just access to government loans, then why (as another poster astutely pointed out) have costs at private K-12 schools increased at the same rate despite zero government lending/funding/tax credit for tuition?

Care to take a guess??
why has anything gone up in cost over he years...


a 69' Chevy Nova (my first car) was just under 3k brand new
a 20' chevy impala 37k


but them again us median household income 1969 ….$7600
us median household income 2019 ..$75,500.... estimates for 2020 are $78,500 ( https://www.novoco.com/notes-from-no...4-percent-2021 )
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Old 02-14-2020, 01:43 PM
 
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. People that borrowed too much and got useless degrees, should get SOME relief from payments but should not have it wiped out.[/quote]


Why pray tell should they get ANY relief?


People that borrowed too much and got useless degrees..............

I believe many get these "useless degrees" as an excuse for being "unable to find a job". and living with mommy and daddy.
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Old 02-14-2020, 01:48 PM
 
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Create system...
System doesn’t work...
Don't fix...
Blame who it affects...
Look at the professors and administrators making massive salaries

Look at the lavish campuses

Look at the luxurious student housing

Look at the massive sports facilities

Keep your hands out of my pockets.
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Old 02-14-2020, 01:51 PM
 
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People who are defending students who shirk their responsibilities to pay off their loans are overlooking the fact that people on the other side of the equation lent it to them with the understanding that it be repaid. Should too many entitled and irresponsible students decide to just say "kiss off" to the lender, there is less money coming back that is available to the younger students coming up and ready for college.


(And don't tell me there's no lender and that it's just the government. Those are still people - taxpayers.)
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Old 02-14-2020, 02:03 PM
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Location: MA/NH
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Sandy Nurse left out the fact that taxpayers also spent $200K to provide her with a high school education.

And this is why our entire public education system needs to be revamped. We are overspending on our children in a misguided effort to try to give to every single one of them a college degree... when they clearly don't all need one, and can't find a job to justify the expense of that fancy college degree. Meanwhile, Pete Buttigeig wants to spend more of our taxpayer money on our public education system. And I say NO to that idea.

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Sandy Nurse doesn't see why she needs to be $120,000 in debt "just for trying to improve my understanding of the world."

And so, after a decade of struggling to repay her student loans, she plans to stop trying. She hopes others will join her, too, in a national strike against the country's outstanding student loan debt, which is marching toward $1.7 trillion.
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Old 02-14-2020, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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People who are defending students who shirk their responsibilities to pay off their loans are overlooking the fact that people on the other side of the equation lent it to them with the understanding that it be repaid. Should too many entitled and irresponsible students decide to just say "kiss off" to the lender, there is less money coming back that is available to the younger students coming up and ready for college.


(And don't tell me there's no lender and that it's just the government. Those are still people - taxpayers.)
Here's the problem...

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. government lost $11.2 billion on its bailout of General Motors Co (GM.N), more than the $10.3 billion the Treasury Department estimated when it sold its remaining GM shares in December, according to a government report released on Wednesday.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-a...A3T0MR20140430

Soooooo where's my money?

Under the couch cushions? (checks under them...nada)

Before you say "Obama!' how about Big Daddy Tariff with the farmers right now? Am I going to get that money back?

I'd settle for a few free ears of fresh corn at this point.

Know what I mean?

You see, selective socialism is even more absurd than full socialism. At least the self-admitted Marxists can stand on a principle of total evil and destruction.
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Old 02-14-2020, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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People who are defending students who shirk their responsibilities to pay off their loans are overlooking the fact that people on the other side of the equation lent it to them with the understanding that it be repaid. Should too many entitled and irresponsible students decide to just say "kiss off" to the lender, there is less money coming back that is available to the younger students coming up and ready for college.


(And don't tell me there's no lender and that it's just the government. Those are still people - taxpayers.)
and that is the key


many, many people have taken out student loans....and paid them off...


now you have a bunch, who want to say FU to everyone else, and say fine you paid your, now pay mine...






if the government (taxpayers) pays off their loans...its a big FU to the ones who did the correct thing...its also direct discrimination...… (which means its unconstitutional, and therefore can NOT be done)
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Old 02-14-2020, 02:26 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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and that is the key


many, many people have taken out student loans....and paid them off...


now you have a bunch, who want to say FU to everyone else, and say fine you paid your, now pay mine...






if the government (taxpayers) pays off their loans...its a big FU to the ones who did the correct thing...its also direct discrimination...… (which means its unconstitutional, and therefore can NOT be done)
So you're saying if I go bankrupt like GM I'll be bailed out too?
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Old 02-14-2020, 02:29 PM
 
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I agree in part. I’d support government loans with an interest rate that covers only the cost to administer the program. In addition, there need to be changes to the rules of borrowing. For instance, if students take out loans for say 15 credit hours and drop a 3 credit class, the university sends them a refund. That refund should be paid back to the lender so the student isn’t incurring debt unrelated to course work toward graduation. If that means no money for a Spring Break trip, too bad.
The university I went to didn't charge any more for 15 credits than it did for 12 credits. Twelve was full time and you could take up to 18 hours at the same full time price.
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Old 02-14-2020, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida, Support our police
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My son graduated from the United States Air Force Academy. He had great grades in HS. He was a top ranked national athlete. Worked his ass off in college. Nothing came easy for him. He has no debt. He now owes 5 years of service to our country. I went to community college. I could have went to a private college or a state school. Paid it myself. I don't feel bad for people that have loans. We all make choices.
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