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Old 02-17-2020, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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Land doesn't vote. People do. Most of those counties Trump won are very sparsely populated.


Actually, it's the States that elect the President, not the people directly
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You'd think you guys would have gotten that through your heads by now.
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Just over the horizon
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At last someone who can do math. Clinton lost by 77 EC votes. That means Dems have to peel off at least 39 votes. For the most part, red will stay red and blue will stay blue. There are a few possible paths for a democrat:

Florida (29 votes) plus one of the following: MI (16), PA(20) WI (10) or AZ (11).
Lose Florida and they need 3 out of 4 of the others.

The only blue state that might flip is Virginia (13), which would make it a bit harder for Dems.



And with the promised attacks on the 2nd amendment by newly elected Virginia legislatures and Governor "blackface" Northham, you can count on a huge turnout from pro 2nd amendment Virginia citizens.
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:35 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Trump lied about Mexicans paying for the wall. Whoops can’t run on that lie again...
Trump has done 0 on healthcare.
Trump lined the pockets of the rich with his corporate tax cut.
How many of his cronies are in jail?

Democrats have:
Bloomberg to counter Trumps money.
Sanders is a stronger opponent than Hillary.
Youth, with Pete.
The party’s outlook is much better.

It’s a much better recipe this time for victory. Trump only has the economy and his lies can be called out.
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:39 AM
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Location: Pittsburgh
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The election is pretty far off and anything can happen. The Democratic Party seems to want to change the election results and they might figure out another way between now and November. For all we know they will get him removed by then if they keep trying. They have the media on their side and all of Hollywood. Every channel is against Trump except Fox and that helps the Democratic's quest for Socialism and big government.

Who will win? Really hard to say. I think it will be Bloomberg or Trump. Bloomberg is moderate enough. I think the rest of the Democratic Party is pretty bad really. I voted for Bernie the last time and then Hillary, but my eyes opened more this time around and am considering Trump. I don't like him at all as a person, but I feel he does more for our country with trade deals and peace efforts. Obama really didn't do anything at all, but I voted for him twice. He was a good speaker. lol
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:43 AM
 
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Some states allocated EC shares by % of votes received. Most others do winner take all. All states could allocate proportionally. IDK if that would change the end result, but it certainly would not disenfranchise the votes of people who did not vote for the winner.

The right loves that map because it does not indicated counties that are 51% red and 49% blue. AS I said, various shades of purple.
HRC’s campaign knew all the various electoral rules, and they blew it. As deplorables might say in Oklahoma, cowboy up, you own it.
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:47 AM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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Trump lied about Mexicans paying for the wall. Whoops can’t run on that lie again...
Trump has done 0 on healthcare.
Trump lined the pockets of the rich with his corporate tax cut.
How many of his cronies are in jail?

Democrats have:
Bloomberg to counter Trumps money.
Sanders is a stronger opponent than Hillary.
Youth, with Pete.
The party’s outlook is much better.

It’s a much better recipe this time for victory. Trump only has the economy and his lies can be called out.

And Bloomburg is so smart that he's making noise about having Hillary as his running mate.
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:51 AM
 
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Trump lied about Mexicans paying for the wall. Whoops can’t run on that lie again...
Trump has done 0 on healthcare.
Trump lined the pockets of the rich with his corporate tax cut.
How many of his cronies are in jail?

Democrats have:
Bloomberg to counter Trumps money.
Sanders is a stronger opponent than Hillary.
Youth, with Pete.
The party’s outlook is much better.

It’s a much better recipe this time for victory. Trump only has the economy and his lies can be called out.
Any candidate that spouts off about M4All will not get the middle class and the small business owners. It doesn't matter how much stronger he is than HRC.

People aren't going to pay more to get something for "free".
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Old 02-17-2020, 07:58 AM
 
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Because Trump hasn't expanded his base. He won the Rust Belt by a razor-thin margin and enough of those people have soured on him it won't happen again unless the Dems nominate a truly god-awful candidate.

The only people who still support Trump are fundamentalist Christians, white nationalists, and those who work in an industry that depends on GOP policies (oil and gas comes to mind). That's it. That is a substantial portion of Americans but not enough to win an election on it's own. Trump has lost the swing voter.
Neither of your selections here.. and I still support him. Here in MI , we are seeing improvement in our jobs/economy , which when coming from the bottom is very important. I'm a design engineer in the auto industry and we are going gangbusters with new designs, and actually are hiring. All the small business owners I know are doing well, and in fact can't find people to work. I was just driving down 23 mile road, it has a lot of aerospace manufacturing businesses on it, and there is actually help wanted signs out in front. My wife works in wealth management, and her industry has been on fire the past few years.

It's going to get people like myself and my wife and I to make a change with how good things are going. 90% of the people we know and interact with plan on voting for Trump again.
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Old 02-17-2020, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Houston
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A lot of people will hold their nose and vote for Trump. He won’t get many votes amongst blacks though. Jus plain common sense should tell you that.
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Old 02-17-2020, 08:47 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Gilead
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And Bloomburg is so smart that he's making noise about having Hillary as his running mate.
You know that's fake news? It was started by a troll but right-wing news sites just ran with it.
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