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View Poll Results: Can the President Control the Department of Justice?
No 22 30.56%
Yes 31 43.06%
He can but he shouldn't 16 22.22%
No- because it makes the AG's job impossible 3 4.17%
Voters: 72. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-15-2020, 11:35 AM
 
Location: Northwest Peninsula
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Yes, Trump shows every day that he thinks being a president is the same thing as being a CEO of a private organization with no obligations to stakeholders or anyone else .

It isn't.

The fact that so many people agree with him just boggles my mind.

Name one CEO that not accountable to the stock/share holders.
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Old 02-15-2020, 04:47 PM
 
Location: Home is Where You Park It
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Name one CEO that not accountable to the stock/share holders.
Did you miss the part about private?
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Old 02-16-2020, 05:11 AM
 
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Pretty cut & dried who the boss of the Executive Branch is, eh?
It is terrifying to me that anyone would even ask this question. As head of the Executive Branch, the attorney general does anything in the president's name. Of course the president has the right to direct as he sees fit.

If he tried to direct the judiciary then that would a real problem.
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Texas
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With this spat between Barr and Trump going on I looked it up and found this:

https://www.law.ua.edu/lawreview/fil...oiphe-1-75.pdf


Trump says he has "legal right" to ask Barr to intervene in criminal cases

https://www.axios.com/trump-tweets-l...7d7f29f24.html


So which is it?
According to tRump, "Article 2 says I can do anything I want!"

And who could know better than him?

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Old 02-16-2020, 07:32 AM
 
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Has a DOJ ever gone and one a public interview where he basically tells the President at the time to stop issuing public statements on criminal cases?


Look who knows what 'legally' the President can do -- historically folks would get real upset if they thought the President at the time so much as winked about a criminal case.

Now we are accepting the President can do whatever he wants.

This is all fine and good for Trump fans now...but if a Democrat wins in November I suspect their 'feelings' will change on all of us.

I always felt like the Constitution set the USA up NOT to have these grey areas and NOT to have a leader who could exert so much power over all the govt. I see now the Constitution is very vague and open to interpretation.

Barr is obviously fighting to defend his actions (which I'm sorry this whole Stone thing -- the timing is all off. He finds out Monday night that the official statement issued by these prosecutors didn't match what the DOJ had agreed upon and he doesn't issue any formal statement until 20 minutes AFTER the President tweets -- bull @#$T. If Barr had intended to make a public comment or change the statement, it would have been crafted Monday night, issued first thing Tuesday. )

This is unprecedented. I also think it is well crafted by The White House or Barr's to appear like Barr is an independent man not afraid to criticize the President for tweeting. MEH --- not buying it.

The President may not have asked Barr to do anything but the President could easily have expressed to Barr in no uncertain terms his dissatisfaction with the sentencing. Lawyers are clever with their words and statements. Us not so much -- we assume not 'asking for something' means not talking about. LOL It doesn't.
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:33 AM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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I opted that it make his job impossible if king rules over all your decisions- micromanaging in legal matters can’t be good. Why even have the position? Powerful people only need to imply or suggest. That’s their MOD. Only they usually keep it quiet, tweeter MrT let the whole world know his intentions which pi**d off Barr.
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Old 02-18-2020, 12:38 PM
 
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Hasn't anyone here heard of the Saturday Night Massacre? After Nixon ordered the AG to fire the special prosecutor a few people quit rather than do it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturday_Night_Massacre


If the President can control the AG like a sock puppet then he could be above the law. Does anyone seriously think we can have a President who is above the law?
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Old 02-18-2020, 02:50 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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Article II does state:

"The executive power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America."

The DOJ is an executive branch agency, so technically the answer is yes. According to Harvard Law prof Alan Dershowitz, this was taken for granted until the mid-to-late 20th century. At that time, a tradition developed of the president taking a hands-off approach to the DOJ. But it is a mandate of tradition, not of the constitution.
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Old 02-18-2020, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Fake news CNN says he can.
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Old 02-18-2020, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Has a DOJ ever gone and one a public interview where he basically tells the President at the time to stop issuing public statements on criminal cases?


Look who knows what 'legally' the President can do -- historically folks would get real upset if they thought the President at the time so much as winked about a criminal case.

Now we are accepting the President can do whatever he wants.

This is all fine and good for Trump fans now...but if a Democrat wins in November I suspect their 'feelings' will change on all of us.

I always felt like the Constitution set the USA up NOT to have these grey areas and NOT to have a leader who could exert so much power over all the govt. I see now the Constitution is very vague and open to interpretation.

Barr is obviously fighting to defend his actions (which I'm sorry this whole Stone thing -- the timing is all off. He finds out Monday night that the official statement issued by these prosecutors didn't match what the DOJ had agreed upon and he doesn't issue any formal statement until 20 minutes AFTER the President tweets -- bull @#$T. If Barr had intended to make a public comment or change the statement, it would have been crafted Monday night, issued first thing Tuesday. )

This is unprecedented. I also think it is well crafted by The White House or Barr's to appear like Barr is an independent man not afraid to criticize the President for tweeting. MEH --- not buying it.

The President may not have asked Barr to do anything but the President could easily have expressed to Barr in no uncertain terms his dissatisfaction with the sentencing. Lawyers are clever with their words and statements. Us not so much -- we assume not 'asking for something' means not talking about. LOL It doesn't.
The corruption and lies from this administration are beyond anything we've seen in the modern era.

There is zero daylight between Trump and Barr in private I'm sure.
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