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Old 02-17-2020, 09:33 AM
 
Location: NW Nevada
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In what way would Reagan had acted decisively to get those hostages released?

It's a gimme that large scale military operations were on the table. Not halfway **** poor ones like Carter authorized either.

Remember that? Those flea bag Iranian rodents dragging the naked and mutilated bodies of our soldiers through ther streets?

Reagan had massive scale public support to do whatever needed to be done. The country was totally fed up with being slapped around by the likes of Iran. Yes, they probably would have killed the hostages.

And the result of that word have been Tehran in ashes. Khomeini dead, and it would have been cheered by most of the American public.

Khadaffi found out the hard way that Reagan meant business. The wishy washy Carter years were over. America was walking tall again. The Iranians released the hostages under Carter (barely) to try and save face.

They were afraid of Reagan. And didnt want that to show. But it did. In spades. They tried messing around a bit with Reagin and that pretty much got their Naval "assets" turned into an all undersea force.

Same with Khadaffi. Reagan did make some mistakes. Lebanon was one. Our Marines there were still operating under Carter ROE that should have been immediately changed. And it cost us.
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:46 AM
 
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Totally untrue. 1978 was a record year for new car sales. The so-called "Arab Oil Embargo" ended in March, 1974. Interest rates were low when Carter took office, but ballooned by 1980.
I (my company) was cranking a LOT of money from '76-'79 but was only given the choice of buying new cars and trucks I didn't want or need (to lift the auto industry) AND / OR new housing units (to lift the construction industry). That horrible responsibility was offered to get DOUBLE DECLINING DEPRECIATION tax "shelters", but with me being in the 70% tax bracket, well, I wasn't able to keep any money, but I was handed a huge debt-pox. In 1982 the Lehman Brothers called me daily begging me to file for bankruptcy. I told them that they didn't need a judge to tell them they weren't going to get paid. I told them, YOU AIN'T GOING TO GET PAID! PERIOD! I'LL BE THE JUDGE, AND YOU GO FILE FOR BANKRUPTCY! I think they did.

High interest rates, high inflation and high tax rates pretty much wiped me out. It wasn't till about 1983 that Reagan cut my tax rate in half, but it was too late for my sorry position.

DJ Trump was about my age at the time, and somehow he survived and thrived. Wonder how he did it. Real Estate was a loser at the time.

For a lot of people, most of the 80s was a dead decade. It lingered on me right up to right now. I escaped Helena in 1988 with a gift given 1970 Torino, which is still all I have.

In the early part of 1988, I escorted Ron Paul to the major Montana cities in my 1970 Ford Torino.
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:52 AM
 
Location: 500 miles from home
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To those who believe the hostages got freed because the Iranians feared Reagan. Why would they fear Reagan? Fear of Reagan based on what? All the Iranians knew of Reagan in1980 was that he was a governor and a former actor.
They didn't fear Reagan - as you say - they had no reason to.

Reagan delayed the release of the hostages until he could take credit.

It worked for his admirers.
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Old 02-17-2020, 09:58 AM
 
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It's a gimme that large scale military operations were on the table. Not halfway **** poor ones like Carter authorized either.

Remember that? Those flea bag Iranian rodents dragging the naked and mutilated bodies of our soldiers through ther streets?

Reagan had massive scale public support to do whatever needed to be done. The country was totally fed up with being slapped around by the likes of Iran. Yes, they probably would have killed the hostages.

And the result of that word have been Tehran in ashes. Khomeini dead, and it would have been cheered by most of the American public.

Khadaffi found out the hard way that Reagan meant business. The wishy washy Carter years were over. America was walking tall again. The Iranians released the hostages under Carter (barely) to try and save face.

They were afraid of Reagan. And didnt want that to show. But it did. In spades. They tried messing around a bit with Reagin and that pretty much got their Naval "assets" turned into an all undersea force.

Same with Khadaffi. Reagan did make some mistakes. Lebanon was one. Our Marines there were still operating under Carter ROE that should have been immediately changed. And it cost us.
Saudi Arabia never liked competitors much.
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Old 02-17-2020, 10:11 AM
 
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To those who believe the hostages got freed because the Iranians feared Reagan. Why would they fear Reagan? Fear of Reagan based on what? All the Iranians knew of Reagan in1980 was that he was a governor and a former actor.
No, the Iranians knew Reagan as the nominee seeking election as president. Reagan was very vocal in his foreign policy rhetoric, especially when it comes to negotiations, which he stated there would be none. Iran, needing the money very badly, got on board the negotiation to finish it out before Reagan took office. Reagan won the nomination in July, The Shah dies shortly after that, and the final blow was Iraq invading in September, these events brought Iran to the negotiation table to push the deal through, one that took over a year before these events happened.

444 days, that is how long it took, if Carter was so magical about getting the hostages freed, it wold have been done long before that.
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Old 02-17-2020, 10:12 AM
 
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They didn't fear Reagan - as you say - they had no reason to.

Reagan delayed the release of the hostages until he could take credit.

It worked for his admirers.
Please explain how Reagan, who held no political office at the time, delayed the release of the hostages?
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Old 02-17-2020, 10:13 AM
 
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People on this board really need to stop engaging in "whataboutism" and stick with responding to the actual facts, not bringing up grievances unrelated to those facts.
I know, tell it to the OP........
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Old 02-17-2020, 10:15 AM
 
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The Algiers Accords were negotiated by the Carter admin (Warren Christopher) and the hostages were freed as a result of that accord. Those are the facts, and apparently it is news to many here who think Reagan got them released.
Yes of course, so you are saying Carter purposely waited so long to get them released? Why would he do that? What not do it from day one since he was so influential?

You are saying the Shah's death, and the Iran-Iraq War, had zero impact?
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Old 02-17-2020, 10:20 AM
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Please explain how Reagan, who held no political office at the time, delayed the release of the hostages?
It was the shadow diplomacy campaign of Republicans like Rockefeller, whose interest lied in his bank profits from doing business with Iran. Reagan was simply an actor, quite literally. It didn't matter who the Republican candidate was.
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Old 02-17-2020, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Khadaffi found out the hard way that Reagan meant business. The wishy washy Carter years were over.
Actually Khadaffi liver happily until Obama took him out. Reagan left him plotting a nuclear program.
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