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Old 02-15-2020, 10:35 AM
 
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To be honest I think it was more of a way to just embarrass Carter 1 more time. They had gotten all the mileage out of those hostages that they were going to.
Carter was an abject failure. Now the self proclaimed "Christian" ex-president has become an angry, bitter, openly anti-semitic old man, trying desperately to clean up the legacy of his historical failure. Sad, but true.
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Old 02-15-2020, 10:36 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Carter is in fact the reason the hostages were freed if you read through all the negotiations that took place. Iran decided to free the hostages before Reagan took office but you are correct in that they did not want this to happen while Carter was president. The claim that they were afraid of Reagan is a republican myth, this was the same Reagan that supplied arms to Iran.
The Reagan Admin was brought in at the 11 th hour to ensure it was in lockstep with the international US/ Iran tribunal/ Algiers Accord. It was this international agreement that spelled out the release of hostages and the return of most of Iran’s frozen assets. The Clinton Admin signed the agreement the day before Reagan’s inauguration.

In politics you don’t give without getting. Speculation on my part that it was agreed between the outgoing and incoming administrations and Iran that the hostages would be released on Inauguratiin Day to be followed by the release of most of Iran’s frozen assets.

The release was a fantastic optic for the incoming Reagan Admin. Media did not focus on the subsequent release of most of Iran’s frozen assets.

Almost immediately, members of Reagan’s Admin began secretly selling arms to Iran via Israel acting as intermediary. This persisted into Reagan’s second term when it hit the fan. Proceeds were being used to fund a regime change in Nicaragua.
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Old 02-15-2020, 10:45 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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So, they wouldn't want to embarrass Reagan just like the embarrassed Carter? They must have just loved Reagan, right?
Iran and the US had already conceptually agreed to international tripunals for the release of hostages and the return of most of Iran’s frozen assets. The incoming Reagan Admin was brought in at the 11 th hour to make sure it was in lockstep. Likely the incoming admin saw the optics of Iran releasing the hostages on Inauguration Day and Iran went along.

Most of Iran’s frozen assets were promptly released.

At the same time, members of Reagan’s Admin made secret side deal to start selling arms to Iran via Israel. This persisted into Reagan’s second term when it hit the fan.
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Old 02-15-2020, 10:46 AM
 
Location: Texas
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And then Reagan preceded to sell those same "evil" Iranians missiles so he could fund the Contras in Nicaragua.
Well of course he did because... Wait, it will come to me.
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Old 02-15-2020, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Does Carter get enough credit for this?
No, he does not get any credit for it, but his team did negotiate the release. People credit Reagan for it although he did absolutely nothing about it, and how could he when the hostages were release before he has a chance to do anything.
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Old 02-15-2020, 11:55 AM
 
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The Reagan Admin was brought in at the 11 th hour to ensure it was in lockstep with the international US/ Iran tribunal/ Algiers Accord. It was this international agreement that spelled out the release of hostages and the return of most of Iran’s frozen assets. The Clinton Admin signed the agreement the day before Reagan’s inauguration.

In politics you don’t give without getting. Speculation on my part that it was agreed between the outgoing and incoming administrations and Iran that the hostages would be released on Inauguratiin Day to be followed by the release of most of Iran’s frozen assets.

The release was a fantastic optic for the incoming Reagan Admin. Media did not focus on the subsequent release of most of Iran’s frozen assets.

Almost immediately, members of Reagan’s Admin began secretly selling arms to Iran via Israel acting as intermediary. This persisted into Reagan’s second term when it hit the fan. Proceeds were being used to fund a regime change in Nicaragua.
"Speculation on [your] part" indeed. Because the handover was only started mere minutes after Reagan completed the Oath of Office.

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..., but his team did negotiate the release....
For 444 days. What a successful team negotiation.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:15 PM
 
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...which is the biggest bunch of bs.

Carter lost his presidency in large measure because he had no clue how to free the hostages. That and his mangling of the economy, and leaving defense in shambles, and his sweaters and his fireside chats and his creation of a Department of Education and a Department of Energy.

Iran made it a point to thumb their noses at and fully embarrass Carter by waiting until Reagan was inaugurated before deciding only unilaterally to free the embassy hostages.

And they knew Reagan meant business.
You are mistaken.

The CIA orchestrated and funded a coup in Iran in 1953 and installed their puppet dictator, the last Shah of Iran who had no issue selling oil to the west for pennies on the dollar.

The last Shah left Iran in 1/ 1979. He kept his Cancer diagnosis a secret. He bounced around the world for awhile and eventually landed in Mexico. Nixon visited him. David Rockerfeller, then CEO of Chase Bank, sent his personal MD. Republicans advocated for the US to allow him to seek treatment in the US. Carter was opposed.

The Carter Admin had an agreement with Russia in the works and Carter needed Republican support. Former SoS, Kissinger continued to have influence with Republicans and he withheld his support unless Carter accommodated the last Shah. Eventually, Carter gave in in 10/1979.

The former US embassy in Tehran was attacked and US hostages taken a few weeks later as a result of Carter’s agreement to let the Shah into the US. Carter retaliated by freezing Iranian assets.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:19 PM
 
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Carter was an abject failure. Now the self proclaimed "Christian" ex-president has become an angry, bitter, openly anti-semitic old man, trying desperately to clean up the legacy of his historical failure. Sad, but true.
He is anti zionist. as are a bunch of Christians and Jews.
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:19 PM
 
Location: The 719
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Does Carter get enough credit for this?
Horsebleep. October Surprise!

Yeah right.

Maybe in another 1460 days, Jimmah Cautah woulda coulda shoulda

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...which is the biggest bunch of bs.

Carter lost his presidency in large measure because he had no clue how to free the hostages. That and his mangling of the economy, and leaving defense in shambles, and his sweaters and his fireside chats and his creation of a Department of Education and a Department of Energy.

Iran made it a point to thumb their noses at and fully embarrass Carter by waiting until Reagan was inaugurated before deciding only unilaterally to free the embassy hostages.

And they knew Reagan meant business.
Yup ^
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Old 02-15-2020, 12:19 PM
 
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You are mistaken.

The CIA orchestrated and funded a coup in Iran in 1953 and installed their puppet dictator, the last Shah of Iran who had no issue selling oil to the west for pennies on the dollar.

The last Shah left Iran in 1/ 1979. He kept his Cancer diagnosis a secret. He bounced around the world for awhile and eventually landed in Mexico. Nixon visited him. David Rockerfeller, then CEO of Chase Bank, sent his personal MD. Republicans advocated for the US to allow him to seek treatment in the US. Carter was opposed.

The Carter Admin had an agreement with Russia in the works and Carter needed Republican support. Former SoS, Kissinger continued to have influence with Republicans and he withheld his support unless Carter accommodated the last Shah. Eventually, Carter gave in in 10/1979.

The former US embassy in Tehran was attacked and US hostages taken a few weeks later as a result of Carter’s agreement to let the Shah into the US. Carter retaliated by freezing Iranian assets.
How does one single word of that refute what you quoted as "mistaken"?
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