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I am all for physician assisted suicide; however, euthanasia of people based upon cost.... that's different.
I get what you're saying but I think the euthanasia is now being offered to everyone because the government realizes it can save money if it gives people that option. So it is not to cut costs of any particular individual, it is just that the government has conveniently said we are no longer morally opposed to physician assisted suicide for a broad number of diseases.
I don't have a problem with that, but then I don't have a problem with physician assisted suicide for anyone for any reason. People have a right to die when they want.
How many of those people "chose" to use money that could be used to buy health insurance on other things?
Additionally, it doesn't show anyone was turned away from any treatment.
Why do you think they died? Surely you're not saying that people who cannot afford medical care are not turned away... Anyone can show up at any ER if they are having a heart attack or if they've cut off their arm, but if you go because your diabetes isn't under control, they can't set you up with a treatment plan. They tell you to go see your doctor. If you can't afford chemo for your cancer, you can't just go to the ER and get it. So while the ER will keep someone alive who has an acute injury or illness, once you're stable (as in, you're not likely to die before your doctor's office opens), you're on your own. So yes, people without money are routinely denied the type of care they need.
I don't know what the average premiums were in 2009. I will tell you that for my family of four, the monthly premiums now are around $1,500 for a "bronze" plan, which really doesn't cover much of anything. (I'm self-employed and my husband's employer does not offer health insurance.) So yes, undoubtedly, people are "choosing" to pay for things like housing and food other than medical insurance.
Really? Let's see the US numbers to which you refer.
Seriously? Have you been living under a rock? It’s at least in the hundreds of thousands now a year who die in the US either because they had no coverage and did t seek or were denied care or who’s insurance denied their procedure. If you really believe insurance will always cover your procedure any hospital you go into will have paperwork showing you insurance must authorize payment for procedure before it is carried out.
I wonder if as many people would die as those in the US who simply can’t afford medical treatment at all or whose insurance determines their procedure isn’t covered? It would be almost impossible to meet those numbers.
When a government takes money from some of its citizens and unconstitutionally gives it to others (aka theft and distribution of stolen goods), it usually benefit those others, no question.
The bad news is that the big-govt advocates then start thinking that since it benefits some people, that makes the theft OK.
One of government's duties is to protect its citizens from having their rights violated. But stealing money from Group A to pay for insurance for Group B doesn't do that. It merely violates the rights of Group A.
When a government takes money from some of its citizens and unconstitutionally gives it to others (aka theft and distribution of stolen goods), it usually benefit those others, no question.
The bad news is that the big-govt advocates then start thinking that since it benefits some people, that makes the theft OK.
One of government's duties is to protect its citizens from having their rights violated. But stealing money from Group A to pay for insurance for Group B doesn't do that. It merely violates the rights of Group A.
And if we are talking about health care, what do you suppose happens to Group B?
I see nothing wrong with assigning value to a persons life, their contributions and good works and if they have provided a demonstrable value, let's take care of them. And this standard should be applied to anyone over 30. Lifetime bum? oh well, door #2 for you. I'll be happy to judge, part time, I like to play golf too.
Very true. As a cancer survivor I can tell you I have seen the the extremes that families will go to, just to prolong or delay the inevitable.
I saw one cancer patient, brain tumor, Half his damned brain was gone. He had 0 cognitive function. His family did all they could to keep that poor man's heart ticking. No one should endure that.
I know of old people who were filled with cancer. They 0 chance of cure. Only a delay of months. The families refuse to let them die with dignity.
No Ill speak for myself. I have seen how horrible cancer related deaths can be. How brutally painful. To the point that no pain meds actually help.
If that were me? I would want a doc to give me about 12 times the lethal dose of Morphine and let me pass quietly.
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Surely you're not saying that people who cannot afford medical care are not turned away... Anyone can show up at any ER if they are having a heart attack or if they've cut off their arm, but if you go because your diabetes isn't under control, they can't set you up with a treatment plan. They tell you to go see your doctor. If you can't afford chemo for your cancer, you can't just go to the ER and get it. So while the ER will keep someone alive who has an acute injury or illness, once you're stable (as in, you're not likely to die before your doctor's office opens), you're on your own. So yes, people without money are routinely denied the type of care they need.
I'll be happy to judge, part time, I like to play golf too.
