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Old 02-16-2020, 06:40 AM
 
Location: Tyler, TX
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On the "kids in cages" outrage, I believe it was a former Obama administration adviser or staffer who published the original tweet, with an image from 2014, which kicked off the drama. It was then circulated by Linda Sarsour, Shaun King and a host of other Democrat-connected social media influencers.

I honestly don't understand how the Democrat party could still have any members. The manipulation is so overt and disrespectful, it's ridiculous, yet people continue to support them. Just look at this thread. Ridiculous.
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Old 02-16-2020, 06:42 AM
 
Location: USA
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According to Snopes they were built during the Obama administration. The children could only be there by law for up to 72 hours. There were kept there because you can't just release children to the streets. After that they were transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services.

The Trump administration keeps the children in them for weeks at a time. Seven children have died which they said was an unprecedented number in recent history. The conditions there were reported to be unsanitary.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...es-immigrants/
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:04 AM
 
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According to Snopes they were built during the Obama administration. The children could only be there by law for up to 72 hours. There were kept there because you can't just release children to the streets. After that they were transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services.

The Trump administration keeps the children in them for weeks at a time. Seven children have died which they said was an unprecedented number in recent history. The conditions there were reported to be unsanitary.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...es-immigrants/
What did you expect when during Trump's presidency caravan after caravan kept marching up to our border with hundreds of thousands of people and kids in them? Obama didn't have to deal with that! Any kids that died were not the fault of Trump or those in charge of the facilities. The blame lays squarely on their parents who put them through this ordeal in the first place.
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:14 AM
 
Location: Retired in VT; previously MD & NJ
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I think the difference is that Trump started taking young children away from parents who came asking for asylum... he was treating those parents as though they were criminals who tried to enter illegally which would be a crime . Asking for asylum is not a crime. We don't lock up children with a criminal parent, and Trump is considering all asylum seekers as criminals. That created a very large number of children to be processed through a system that couldn't handle it.

Not to mention that they didn't have a system to keep track of which children belonged to which parent. That is unforgivable.
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:25 AM
 
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So what you are saying is Trump is a wimp when confronted with conflict. That I can agree with. Trump is truly a wimp,
So you’re saying he should have continued locking kids in cages instead of ending it? Do you actually read what you write?
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:27 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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Originally Posted by coffeemoments View Post
According to Snopes they were built during the Obama administration. The children could only be there by law for up to 72 hours. There were kept there because you can't just release children to the streets. After that they were transferred to the Department of Health and Human Services.

The Trump administration keeps the children in them for weeks at a time. Seven children have died which they said was an unprecedented number in recent history. The conditions there were reported to be unsanitary.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...es-immigrants/
During the Obama Administration children were detained longer than 72 hours and Trump is keeping them indefinitely; both are in violation (cases pending in courts) of the Flores Agreement, which is law. (key take away ... they can do anything they want to do.)

The History of the Flores Settlement


"The next major change to Flores, and almost certainly the most significant, came in 2015. An Obama-appointed federal district court judge in California, Dolly Gee, ordered that the Obama administration must release detained children and their mothers who were caught crossing the border illegally, saying that detention centers in Texas had failed to meet the Flores standards. (my emphasis)

This was a major development — Gee had now expanded Flores to cover not only unaccompanied children, but also accompanied children.
<snip>
There have been discussions in Congress about passing a law that would supersede Flores and finally settle the issue. Several Republicans, mostly notably Ted Cruz (R-Texas), called on Congress to fix Flores in order to resolve the related issue of child-parent separations and catch-and-release. As of early 2019, however, such a fix has yet to pass Congress, and doesn't look likely to any time soon." (my emphasis)

Flores v. Sessions

"Pursuant to the 2002 Homeland Security Act, Pub. L. 107-296 (H.R. 5005) (HSA), Congress dissolved the INS and transferred most of its functions to the Department of Homeland Security (“DHS”). The HSA placed responsibility for care and custody of unaccompanied immigrant and refugee youth, however, with the Office of Refugee Resettlement (“ORR”). In 2008, the William Wilberforce Trafficking Victims Protection Reauthorization Act , 110 Pub. L. 457, 122 Stat. 5044, elaborated ORR's responsibilities toward detained children, requiring that it seek to place minors in the least restrictive setting consistent with their safety and the safety of the public. Both the HSA and TVPRA contain "savings clauses" preserving children's rights under the Flores Settlement.

Nonetheless, in the late summer and fall of 2014, the federal government adopted a policy and practice of detaining family units without possibility of release in order to deter others from seeking to enter the United States without authorization. The government detained these families, including children, in "family detention centers" in Texas and Pennsylvania, which lacked licenses to care for dependent minors." (my emphasis)

Documents Relating to Flores v. Reno Settlement Agreement on Minors in Immigration Custody


AILA Doc. No. 14111359 | Dated September 27, 2019
September 27, 2019

"U.S. District Court Judge Dolly M. Gee issued a permanent injunction, blocking the government from implementing new regulations that would expand its ability to detain migrant children with their parents for indefinite periods of time. The Justice Department had urged the judge to allow the Trump administration to withdraw from the Flores Settlement Agreement. (Flores v. Barr, 9/27/19)"
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:27 AM
 
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Biden did nothing in his whole career, NOTHING. He's a shyster. He didn't even know what was going on in the Obama administration!!!! Talk about a fraud. It's ((((Scary)))). WE paid him! hahahahaha
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:33 AM
 
Location: North Pacific
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I think the difference is that Trump started taking young children away from parents who came asking for asylum... he was treating those parents as though they were criminals who tried to enter illegally which would be a crime . Asking for asylum is not a crime. We don't lock up children with a criminal parent, and Trump is considering all asylum seekers as criminals. That created a very large number of children to be processed through a system that couldn't handle it.

Not to mention that they didn't have a system to keep track of which children belonged to which parent. That is unforgivable.
The difference is ---- Trump administration does not want oversight on what they do.

Obama separated the children when the investigation turned up a criminal parent ... Trump, they are criminal for just crossing the boarder.
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:33 AM
 
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So that gives Trump's disgusting behavior now a free pass? Whacky maga logic for you



No, our logic is, you didn't give a damn then because you agreed with it, but not that trump is doing the EXACT same thing, now, NOWWWWWWWWWWWW you're really mad about it...
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Old 02-16-2020, 07:34 AM
 
Location: So Cal
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If Obama did this than that is wrong. Now I want to hear Trumpists say Donny war wrong. I expect crickets
That’s the problem. You’re using the term “if” because apparently it wasn’t a concern to the MSM and Democrats when Obama did it that it wasn’t even reported or complained about by Democratic politicians.
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