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Old 02-17-2020, 07:41 AM
 
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Hang on --- after a 10 year recovery of course you are going to see a reduction in safety net recipients.

There has been no official policy change on SNAP recipients since Trump took office. The reduction is from our 10 year recovery.

No matter how much you try -- you cannot show that any one specific Trump policy has resulted in any significant change in how the economy was growing before he took office.

The train just keeps chugging along.....in spite of Trump?
Yup, and here comes another liberal, unable to give Trump credit for anything. YES, the lowering of corporate tax rates (which the socialists running want to raise) to a competitive rate has allowed successful businesses to keep more of their money, grow their business, and increase hiring.


I would know. I was a small business owner from the late 80s (I was fairly young when I started) to the mid 2000's, and if my federal taxes had been reduced by even 10%, I would have used that money for one extra self-marketing campaigns, brought in more clients, and thus hired more people and/or subcontracted more out to other small (non-competing) businesses.


Please....you can't possibly tell me that your business (you did own a business, didn't you?) would not have been in a position to hire more people or otherwise purchase more service/product if you were permitted to keep more of your revenues?

 
Old 02-17-2020, 07:44 AM
 
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The drop in food stamps likely has to do with:

There is limit on how long you can receive it. If you are single and able-bodied, you can only receive food stamps for 3 months out of any 3 year period. Alot of people likely get kicked off of food stamps for being single and able-bodied. In many places, requirements in getting food stamps have changed.

And with race being brought into this, here is something to chew on. The states with some of the fastest decline on food stamp use don't have particularly large minority populations: Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Vermont, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Maine, Kentucky, Kansas.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-a...n-recent-years

Nevada is the only state where food stamp use has increased. NM and PA have remained unchanged.
 
Old 02-17-2020, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by moneill View Post
Hang on --- after a 10 year recovery of course you are going to see a reduction in safety net recipients.

There has been no official policy change on SNAP recipients since Trump took office. The reduction is from our 10 year recovery.

No matter how much you try -- you cannot show that any one specific Trump policy has resulted in any significant change in how the economy was growing before he took office.

The train just keeps chugging along.....in spite of Trump?
Well there is a lot of truth to what you are saying, but presidents can keep an economy going in a good direction or they can also mess it up in a big way. So far Trump is laying the ground work for the economy to keep going in a good direction. If Bernie gets in it will be a huge disruption and you better start saving now. Economies don't like instability and Bernie is going to create one big mess. So don't discount the power of a president. I agree the economy was on a track before Trump took office and he doesn't control it, BUT he can certainly disrupt it with crazy ideas or a no win war. Thankfully Trump is no war monger and has the balls to even say Iraq was a huge mistake. Very few politicians would ever dare say that!

Oh it is great that more people aren't on food stamps. If you can't make it in this economy you certainly wouldn't have much in the way of self pride. Getting people to work can do wonders for some self esteem instead of watching illegal cable TV all day and drinking a 40.
 
Old 02-17-2020, 07:48 AM
 
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The drop in food stamps likely has to do with:

There is limit on how long you can receive it. If you are single and able-bodied, you can only receive food stamps for 3 months out of any 3 year period. Alot of people likely get kicked off of food stamps for being single and able-bodied. In many places, requirements in getting food stamps have changed.

And with race being brought into this, here is something to chew on. The states with some of the fastest decline on food stamp use don't have particularly large minority populations: Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Vermont, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Maine, Kentucky, Kansas.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-a...n-recent-years

Nevada is the only state where food stamp use has increased. NM and PA have remained unchanged.

Yes, and that's the point! Trump changed the policy where ale-bodied, single, childless people can collect welfare without being willing to accept a job. It's "tough love," as in "you want taxpayers to help you out? Well, then you have to do your part and get some sort of job." Parents do that all the time with unmotivated kids.
 
Old 02-17-2020, 07:50 AM
 
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Yes, and that's the point! Trump changed the policy where ale-bodied, single, childless people can collect welfare without being willing to accept a job. It's "tough love," as in "you want taxpayers to help you out? Well, then you have to do your part and get some sort of job." Parents do that all the time with unmotivated kids.
Trump's proposal has not been implemented yet -- has it?

It was proposed in December of 2019......
 
Old 02-17-2020, 07:56 AM
 
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Yup, and here comes another liberal, unable to give Trump credit for anything. YES, the lowering of corporate tax rates (which the socialists running want to raise) to a competitive rate has allowed successful businesses to keep more of their money, grow their business, and increase hiring.


I would know. I was a small business owner from the late 80s (I was fairly young when I started) to the mid 2000's, and if my federal taxes had been reduced by even 10%, I would have used that money for one extra self-marketing campaigns, brought in more clients, and thus hired more people and/or subcontracted more out to other small (non-competing) businesses.


Please....you can't possibly tell me that your business (you did own a business, didn't you?) would not have been in a position to hire more people or otherwise purchase more service/product if you were permitted to keep more of your revenues?
My position on Trump has been consistent all along. It may be liberal to you because it doesn't support Trump -- but my criticisms aren't just 'liberal' views. There are conservatives/Republicans who hav ethe same criticism.

The corporate tax rates have not resulted in any surge in economic growth or expansion. It just hasn't.

And the tax cuts for individuals and small businesses is always welcome but it was not significant enough to do anything to the overall economy.

If that was the case -- if Trump's big tax cuts -- which have now been in effect for over a year were such a big contributor to the economy -- we should b e seeing the change in GDP and we haven't.........

We are experiencing similar month to month job growth numbers, GDP quarterly numbers (maybe a wee bit less) than we did from 2010 to 2016. The cumulative impact of that is going to be positive but can't be attributed to just three years of a 10 year recovery.
 
Old 02-17-2020, 07:58 AM
 
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Yes, and that's the point! Trump changed the policy where ale-bodied, single, childless people can collect welfare without being willing to accept a job. It's "tough love," as in "you want taxpayers to help you out? Well, then you have to do your part and get some sort of job." Parents do that all the time with unmotivated kids.
It had less to do with the economy getting better, and more to do in changes in how the system works. By the way, alot of people on food stamps are the working poor. That shows many people don't make enough to support themselves and their families. "Tough love" has little to do with it. You know what alot of men who can't get work or food stamps do to get money? Steal, sell drugs, engage in other illegals ways to make money.
 
Old 02-17-2020, 07:58 AM
 
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Originally Posted by green_mariner View Post
The drop in food stamps likely has to do with:

There is limit on how long you can receive it. If you are single and able-bodied, you can only receive food stamps for 3 months out of any 3 year period. Alot of people likely get kicked off of food stamps for being single and able-bodied. In many places, requirements in getting food stamps have changed.

And with race being brought into this, here is something to chew on. The states with some of the fastest decline on food stamp use don't have particularly large minority populations: Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Utah, Vermont, New Hampshire, Minnesota, Maine, Kentucky, Kansas.
https://www.cbpp.org/research/food-a...n-recent-years

Nevada is the only state where food stamp use has increased. NM and PA have remained unchanged.
The policy is that you have to work 3 months, at least 20 hours a week, in the previous 3 years to qualify for food stamps.... and the idiotic left had an issue with that!!! lol
 
Old 02-17-2020, 07:59 AM
 
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It had less to do with the economy getting better, and more to do in changes in how the system works. By the way, alot of people on food stamps are the working poor. That shows many people don't make enough to support themselves and their families. "Tough love" has little to do with it. You know what alot of men who can't get work or food stamps do to get money? Steal, sell drugs, engage in other illegals ways to make money.
As minimum wage increases across the county towards $15, this will no longer be an excuse..
 
Old 02-17-2020, 08:02 AM
 
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The policy is that you have to work 3 months, at least 20 hours a week, in the previous 3 years to qualify for food stamps.... and the idiotic left had an issue with that!!! lol
And many people who get food stamps also work. Even if you kicked the able-bodied off of food stamps, you still have alot of single mothers with kids (many of those mothers work) who get food stamps. It isn't just those who won't work who get them. It consists of those who do work and don't make enough money to feed themselves or their kids that get food stamps.
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