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Old 02-18-2020, 06:08 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Not off to a very good start......

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/po...g2a-story.html

A safe-school officer hired to protect children stood in front of a mirror, clutched her gun for practice and pulled the trigger of what she thought was an unloaded weapon. The gun fired and sent a bullet through the mirror.

At another school, an officer on her lunch break slipped into a school bathroom and filmed a nude video of herself for her husband.

One officer pawned his service weapon, pistol flashlight and ballistic vest and was then found patrolling his school with a pellet gun in his holster.
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those notifications raise a question that leaders should be asking themselves: Do enough qualified armed guards exist to meet the state’s mandate that a “good guy with a gun” be stationed on every campus?

 
Old 02-18-2020, 06:12 AM
 
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Who is running the schools? Not the parents, but govt bureaucrats with no skin in the game. Fire them all and abolish the govt schools.
Its 2020, surely there are more intelligent and safer ways to educate children than brick and mortar bullying/shooting galleries staffed with zombie educators and foot draggers.

Govt skool= child abuse
 
Old 02-18-2020, 06:19 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Who is running the schools? Not the parents, but govt bureaucrats with no skin in the game. Fire them all and abolish the govt schools.
That is your solution to deal with unqualified armed guards..... All righty then.
 
Old 02-18-2020, 06:21 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Frank DeForrest View Post
Who is running the schools? Not the parents, but govt bureaucrats with no skin in the game. Fire them all and abolish the govt schools.
Its 2020, surely there are more intelligent and safer ways to educate children than brick and mortar bullying/shooting galleries staffed with zombie educators and foot draggers.

Govt skool= child abuse



Several of the problems in that article were at charter schools.
 
Old 02-18-2020, 06:25 AM
 
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That is your solution to deal with unqualified armed guards..... All righty then.
Did I stutter?
 
Old 02-18-2020, 06:28 AM
 
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Several of the problems in that article were at charter schools.
Charter schools arent private. They accept govt money and must follow govt criteria.
Did you miss the point about better ways to educate? It requires you to think outside your state made box.
 
Old 02-18-2020, 07:13 AM
 
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This is more corruption from the Palm Beach area and it's School Board. I live in a large city with Police officers on School Campus all over the city. Our program began is the 1980's. No problems at all.
Our School Resource Officers are not "guards", they are regular Police Officers. The School Board and Police Department share the expense of the Officers.

There is another LINK embedded in that article that clearly explains the problem with these 'officers'.

'Scathing’ report: School guards got shoddy training |Sun Sentinel

A company that trained armed guards for Palm Beach County schools used unqualified instructors, passed students who failed shooting tests and committed several other violations, according to a report by the county sheriff’s office.

Invictus Security Services of Boynton Beach charged $3,000 per person to the Palm Beach County School District to train nearly 30 guards for charter schools, under state requirements adopted after the Parkland school shooting.

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, another member of the Stoneman Douglas commission, blasted the school board for hiring the firm. “It’s total, absolute incompetence,” he said. “And they have wasted literally tens of thousands of the taxpayers’ dollars. And they still didn’t appropriately comply with the law. I am outraged at their incompetence and lack of care and concern.”


* Some instructors lacked state-required qualifications.
* Program director and lead instructor Gregory Solowsky was not a state-certified instructor. He *“resigned/retired in lieu of separation for violating agency/training center policy from the Lauderhill Police
* Department,” according to the report.
* Students passed firearms qualification with an 80% score, rather than the required 85%.
* The company lacked documentation to show instructors’ qualifications.
* The company could not document student attendance.
 
Old 02-18-2020, 07:17 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Originally Posted by Kibby View Post
This is more corruption from the Palm Beach area and it's School Board. I live in a large city with Police officers on School Campus all over the city. Our program began is the 1980's. No problems at all.
Our School Resource Officers are not "guards", they are regular Police Officers. The School Board and Police Department share the expense of the Officers.

There is another LINK embedded in that article that clearly explains the problem with these 'officers'.

'Scathing’ report: School guards got shoddy training |Sun Sentinel

A company that trained armed guards for Palm Beach County schools used unqualified instructors, passed students who failed shooting tests and committed several other violations, according to a report by the county sheriff’s office.

Invictus Security Services of Boynton Beach charged $3,000 per person to the Palm Beach County School District to train nearly 30 guards for charter schools, under state requirements adopted after the Parkland school shooting.

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, another member of the Stoneman Douglas commission, blasted the school board for hiring the firm. “It’s total, absolute incompetence,” he said. “And they have wasted literally tens of thousands of the taxpayers’ dollars. And they still didn’t appropriately comply with the law. I am outraged at their incompetence and lack of care and concern.”


* Some instructors lacked state-required qualifications.
* Program director and lead instructor Gregory Solowsky was not a state-certified instructor. He *“resigned/retired in lieu of separation for violating agency/training center policy from the Lauderhill Police
* Department,” according to the report.
* Students passed firearms qualification with an 80% score, rather than the required 85%.
* The company lacked documentation to show instructors’ qualifications.
* The company could not document student attendance.
Ditto here

San Diego uses regular SDPD. They are on campus at open and close and it's up to the loser bad guy to figure out if the black and white out front all day actually has a regular cop attached to it. They sometimes are there all day sometimes not.
 
Old 02-18-2020, 07:26 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Kibby View Post
This is more corruption from the Palm Beach area and it's School Board. I live in a large city with Police officers on School Campus all over the city. Our program began is the 1980's. No problems at all.
Our School Resource Officers are not "guards", they are regular Police Officers. The School Board and Police Department share the expense of the Officers.

There is another LINK embedded in that article that clearly explains the problem with these 'officers'.

'Scathing’ report: School guards got shoddy training |Sun Sentinel

A company that trained armed guards for Palm Beach County schools used unqualified instructors, passed students who failed shooting tests and committed several other violations, according to a report by the county sheriff’s office.

Invictus Security Services of Boynton Beach charged $3,000 per person to the Palm Beach County School District to train nearly 30 guards for charter schools, under state requirements adopted after the Parkland school shooting.

Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, another member of the Stoneman Douglas commission, blasted the school board for hiring the firm. “It’s total, absolute incompetence,” he said. “And they have wasted literally tens of thousands of the taxpayers’ dollars. And they still didn’t appropriately comply with the law. I am outraged at their incompetence and lack of care and concern.”


* Some instructors lacked state-required qualifications.
* Program director and lead instructor Gregory Solowsky was not a state-certified instructor. He *“resigned/retired in lieu of separation for violating agency/training center policy from the Lauderhill Police
* Department,” according to the report.
* Students passed firearms qualification with an 80% score, rather than the required 85%.
* The company lacked documentation to show instructors’ qualifications.
* The company could not document student attendance.
Im not sure about having real police acting as guards for these schools, besides that though, if the schools are within the police depts jurisdiction, then why are they paying them extra money for guard duties, (they are already being paid for these services).
 
Old 02-18-2020, 07:31 AM
 
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Yes, enough qualified people exist, but the pay they are offering, they are not going to get them.

It is a stupid program, waste of money.
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