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Originally Posted by mike1003
Hi Mike,
Totally true. I was in NHS in England for 6 months, which gives me some insight others don’t have. Here is what is wrong with medicare for all and NHS, England and Canada:
These are built on top of a widely divergent two tiered system. It is the worst case of haves and have nots as told by you in your story.
Canadians and the English are docile sheep who are willing to Q up all day. Americans are impatient and would not put up with it. The ultimate difference is not the care that is rendered or the cost, it is the people who have to take it, Americans.
Firstly the NHS is not medicare for all, it's a nationalised system of healthcare and is not two tier, the large NHS University Teaching Hospitals with regional major trauma units are where everyone goes in an emergency. The NHS also has very good regional specialised cancer services which have improved beyond all recognition in recent years, and there are world renowned national hospitals in many specialist fields.
Secondly the NHS and Canadian system are one of many universal systems that the US could impliment and most of the rest of the civilised world is perfectly happy with Universal Healthcare, it is the US that is the odd one out and which pays vast sums for a healthcare system that does not preform very well by intermational standards.
Oh right; like every American hospital is performing colonoscopies every weekend and like every Canadian hospital closes down for the weekends. Nice try!
https://www.ramusa.org/clinic-schedu...oaAj2eEALw_wcB800,000over 34 years of a whole bunch going without - with people lining up in parking lots and fields days in advance just to see some kind, ANY kind of medical practitioner.
By the by, ya think they do colonoscopies in the backs of those vans?
More of you are DYING per year due to no medical care whatsoever than the entirety of Canadians waiting for a single facet of care.
I do know for a fact that the hospital were I had mine done is open weekends to do colonoscopies and other procedures.
no you just came here to brag or gloat about your health insurance plan.
When you EARN your own way on life, you'll understand that not everyone get's stuff handed to them
First of all I defy you to find one post where I was bragging about my health insurance or putting the Canadian system down. I was simply relaying my experience with my insurance. I have worked for everything I have including my insurance.
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The US System has many tiers and not just between those who have insurance and those who son't but also the difference between medical care in urban America and rural America.
The rural system in the US is in a mess, with hospital closures and very patchy EMS, which manly relies on volunteers.
“She was barely scraping by and trying not to get evicted. She gets what appears to her as a basic cold or flu, didn’t go to the doctor and risk spending money she didn’t have, and as a consequence she passed away.”
Neither Canadians or citizens of the U.K. are foregoing healthcare due to costs or need to fear losing or changing jobs resulting in our deaths.
In short; any single payer or universal system is heads and shoulders above what Americans are dealing with and nit picking of another country's systems by desperate Americans is done simply to "polish a turd" using false comparators.
The US System has many tiers and not just between those who have insurance and those who son't but also the difference between medical care in urban America and rural America.
The rural system in the US is in a mess, with hospital closures and very patchy EMS, which manly relies on volunteers.
I only know of one hospital that has closed in the last 25 yrs and most EMS are paid, not volunteer.
“She was barely scraping by and trying not to get evicted. She gets what appears to her as a basic cold or flu, didn’t go to the doctor and risk spending money she didn’t have, and as a consequence she passed away.”
Neither Canadians or citizens of the U.K. are foregoing healthcare due to costs or need to fear losing or changing jobs resulting in our deaths.
In short; any single payer or universal system is heads and shoulders above what Americans are dealing with and nit picking of another country's systems by desperate Americans is done simply to "polish a turd" using false comparators.
I am not saying this is the best situation, but if one gets ill and has no health insurance, they can get treated at the emergency room at any hospital. By law they have to treat you and there are also many free clinics.
I am not saying this is the best situation, but if one gets ill and has no health insurance, they can get treated at the emergency room at any hospital. By law they have to treat you and there are also many free clinics.
EMTLA requires you be "stabilized" and THEN kicked to the curb.
Are you seriously attempting to equate the ability for an entire population to see their doctor and in a timely fashion develop and undergo a treatment plan for something like cancer versus you feeling constant back pain but ignoring it due to not having a doctor, or not having insurance, or not affording the deductibles, the co-pays whatever related costs there might be, to finally present yourself to an emergency room and under EMTLA to be given pain medication and be told you've got a stage four cancer and then sent on your way?
EMTLA requires you be "stabilized" and THEN kicked to the curb.
Are you seriously attempting to equate the ability for an entire population to see their doctor and in a timely fashion develop and undergo a treatment plan for something like cancer versus you feeling constant back pain but ignoring it due to not having a doctor, or not having insurance, or not affording the deductibles, the co-pays whatever related costs there might be, to finally present yourself to an emergency room and under EMTLA to be given pain medication and be told you've got a stage four cancer and then sent on your way?
Seriously?
I don't know where you get your information, but you are wrong. I know people who have used the emergency rm and received the proper treatment, they are not equipped for long term treatment and will refer you to a doctor, but there is no reason you can't return if you have to.
"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law that requires anyone coming to an emergency department to be stabilized and treated, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, but since its enactment in 1986 has remained an unfunded mandate.''
I don't know where you get your information, but you are wrong. I know people who have used the emergency rm and received the proper treatment, they are not equipped for long term treatment and will refer you to a doctor, but there is no reason you can't return if you have to.
"The Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA) is a federal law that requires anyone coming to an emergency department to be stabilized and treated, regardless of their insurance status or ability to pay, but since its enactment in 1986 has remained an unfunded mandate.''
Sorry, but YOU are wrong! I cannot for the life of me decide if it is willful or simply lack of knowledge.
If the patient does not have an "emergency medical condition", the statute imposes no further obligation on the hospital.
I've gained my information from living in the U.S. for months at a time every winter from the year 2000 onwards. I've not only witnessed first hand the application of EMTLA but volunteered assisting over the years at various hospital/clinics from Arizona to Florida.
You can visit an ER as many times as you wish but you will NOT be receiving any kind of long term treatment plan such as chemo, remedial surgical or physio from any ER under EMTLA legislation. That act merely states that if you present yourself at an ER, regardless of reason, they are obligated to "stabilize" and refer; NOT treat underlying symptoms that may have existed for years without treatment because you couldn't afford to see your doctor routinely. The act very clearly states, regardless of your ability to pay, they are to stop the bleeding, set the broken bone and get you ambulatory so you can make it out from under their canopy under your own steam.
Stop this nonsense. You are seemingly not only ill informed about Single payer and universal forms of healthcare delivery, but woefully ill informed about your own pay-for-play system.
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