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The govt hates competition. Especially don't want people to find out how good and fast private care is compared to govt run.
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That majority would be wise to take a look across our northern border. Waits for care in Canada's government-run health insurance system, the closest analog to "Medicare for all" in the world, are spiraling. The remedy for those waits, according to a new report from the Vancouver-based Fraser Institute? A dose of U.S.-style private insurance
I dont care what system Canada,Sweden,the UK etc. has, it wont work here.
Doubt me? Go observe a DMV in a major city to get some insight how a govt run health payment system would function here.
Get the state out of it entirely.
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Once again Americans who think they know telllng folks who know about the system. Don't worry I get as frustrated with Canadians telling me what living in the USA is like. FIRST and most overlooked -- Canada's system of health care is not a NATIONAL one. Each province runs its health care system and has different ways of funding/etc. But reality -- yes everyone has health care coverage in Canada.
First.....There is private insurance in Canada/ Always has been. It covers pharmaceuticals, dental and other costs not covered by the standard health care offered in each Province.
Second......sure Canadians will support a system that allows options. Doesn't mean that Canadians want to get rid of the existing health care system.
Third....wait times. Wait times aren't for life threatening or even critical medical emergencies -- and like the USA is dependent on resources. Some geographical areas -- no wait times -- other may have wait times. If you don't think wait times in the USA don't exist - -you are fortunate. There are people in certain communities that have to wait for services in the USA.
AND lastly, what's important.....
43 per cent of Canadians give their health care system a grade of A or B.
Only 21 per cent of Americans give their health care system a grade of A or B
That rag is a partisan rightwingnut rag & not a real news source.
In the meantime: The World Health Organization/Bloomberg.com has come out with the TOP TEN COUNTRIES AMONG 169 ON EARTH whose residents are the healthiest. Canada is #16. The United States is #35, behind Cuba, Croatia, & Costa Rica.
The top 10 are for the most part countries whose residents live the healthiest lifestyles AND have government supporter healthcare: Spain, Italy, Iceland, Japan, Switzerland, Sweden, Australia, Singapore, Norway, Israel.
The U.S. has gone down one slot in the last two years, from #34 to #35.
The Mediterranean Diet (vegetables, fruit, nuts, whole grains, fish, extra virgin olive oil, no sugars, no processed meat, rarely eat red meat) is eaten by most of the countries in the Top Ten, which have longer life expectancies, & lower risk of Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, & cancer. Their citizens are also less likely to be obese, while 1/3 of American children are overweight or obese and eat a diet heavy in processed foods, cholesterol, refined carbs, and red meat.
2/3 of Canadians have private health insurance, that should tell you how good their healthcare system works.
"The only thing Canadian patients are "guaranteed" is a spot on a waitlist. As the Fraser report notes, in 2017, more than 173,000 patients waited for an ophthalmology procedure. Another 91,000 lined up for some form of general surgery, while more than 40,000 waited for a urology procedure.
All told, nearly 3% of Canada's population was waiting for some kind of medical care at the end of last year.
Those delays were excruciatingly long. After receiving a referral from a general practitioner, the typical patient waited more than 21 weeks to receive treatment from a specialist. That was the longest average waiting period on record -- and more than double the median wait in 1993."
Once again Americans who think they know telllng folks who know about the system. Don't worry I get as frustrated with Canadians telling me what living in the USA is like. FIRST and most overlooked -- Canada's system of health care is not a NATIONAL one. Each province runs its health care system and has different ways of funding/etc. But reality -- yes everyone has health care coverage in Canada.
First.....There is private insurance in Canada/ Always has been. It covers pharmaceuticals, dental and other costs not covered by the standard health care offered in each Province.
Second......sure Canadians will support a system that allows options. Doesn't mean that Canadians want to get rid of the existing health care system.
Third....wait times. Wait times aren't for life threatening or even critical medical emergencies -- and like the USA is dependent on resources. Some geographical areas -- no wait times -- other may have wait times. If you don't think wait times in the USA don't exist - -you are fortunate. There are people in certain communities that have to wait for services in the USA.
AND lastly, what's important.....
43 per cent of Canadians give their health care system a grade of A or B.
Only 21 per cent of Americans give their health care system a grade of A or B
That says it all.
What those percents tell us is that more Americans AND Canadians give their healthcare system a grade of C or lower. Neither has a majority that’s uniformly pleased with their healthcare system and improvements are needed for both.
I dont care what system Canada,Sweden,mthe UK etc. has, it wont work here.
Doubt me? Go observe a DMV in a major city to get some insight how a govt run health payment system would function here.
Get the state out of it entirely.
No kidding. Less government is better. The government should just protect citizens from being taken advantage of. For example protect us from pharmaceutical giants that charge too much money for pills. We should open our boarders up so citizens can get perscriptions filled in another country. Then the US companies will have to cut the prices to compete. That is what government is for, not running businesses. All a government will do is make one big mess of it and we will be waiting for months for a surgery and probably die waiting. No thanks!
2/3 of Canadians have private health insurance, that should tell you how good their healthcare system works.
It has been explained over and over and over again to you that the private insurance DOES not and is NOT ALLOWED to cover anything within the already existing provisions of single payer.
Private insurance exists to cover only those things NOT provided for in Single payer. Caps, crowns, certain pharma, out of country travel would be examples of those.
Now let's head on over to examples of your system you will not read anywhere on Canadian boards:
Go ahead and peruse years worth of threads created for the sole purpose of scathingly critiquing your fubarred system, or at the very least, pleading for some help in navigating it's miasma of dead ends..
Here's the deal; not even one Canadian has ever suggested duplicating the U.S. system as a political platform BUT how many Americans are, and have been for some time, suggesting duplicating single payer or universal H/C?
Canadians will keep what they've got and Americans can keep theirs without constantly referring to Canada. Easy Peazy?
IMHO any discussion on healthcare, here or abroad, should begin with the precept that there is no magic wand or silver bullet.
Every system has its pros and cons.
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