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Old 02-19-2020, 04:06 PM
 
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The problem with this is it would cost tax money. I agree with you completely by the way, but do you think this is what Trump has in mind, cause it would be very expensive and not that his base would ever leave him...
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You wait for them to break a law, then remove them from society to a place far away where they cannot get booze or drugs, but can get treatment.

They cannot be allowed to create harmful health hazzards like the plague that could wind up harming the general populaton. They must be segregated within current laws.

We have the laws, we have lacked the will to use them and enforce them. That must stop.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Don't these cities have laws against loitering and vagrancy ????? If they aren't paying taxes , they have no right to be in the city limits. Put them on buses and move them out of the area.
9th District Circuit Court which covers most western states ruled in favor of 5 homeless who sued Boise, Idaho. Boise appealed and lost again. SCOTUS declined to hear the case.

The homeless have a right to live on the streets when there are no shelters to accommodate them.

What are you going to do with 44,000 homeless people ?
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:06 PM
 
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And again, EXACTLY what jurisdiction do you think the feds have to do "something" about any state's homeless problem?

People keep talking about the feds doing "something", but for the life of me, I can't see what that something could be, other than the ones I mentioned above.

JFK signed a FEDERAL MentalHealth Care Act

That went away when he did.

In 1980, Carter signed the aforementioned Mental Health Systems Act, which Ronnie killed when he became president.

Something along those lines would allow for safe housing to the mentally ill, which realistically makes up most of the homeless people in the country.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:09 PM
 
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Would help to lower the cost of living. There's absolutely no sense of having rentals or homes with that price tag. Not just there, all across the country. You shouldn't have to work 2, sometimes 3 jobs just to make sure you have a roof over your head, utilities paid and to buy groceries.

But hey, if Trump can help, why don't he buy building materials to build simple shelters.

Both the Democrats and Republicans should be able to work something out for today's homeless problem. But no. They're too busy fighting one another.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:09 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Throwing them in jail is one option.
Not a crime to be homeless, addicted or mentally ill.

Regardless, what county anywhere can accommodate 44,000+ people?

And then what? They would be back on the streets within hours.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:11 PM
 
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Not a crime to be homeless, addicted or mentally ill.

Regardless, what county anywhere can accommodate 44,000+ people?

And then what? They would be back on the streets within hours.
Kinda my point. I am just trying to point out how difficult the answer is, if there is one.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:12 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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The private sector can help them if enough people would like to do so.

The government doesn't create solutions to the problems its various agencies are set up to solve. If they did so, they would go out of business.

War on homeless, war on drugs, war on poverty, criminal justice reform, health care reform...how many times are you going to be bamboozled into believing the government can help?
How could the private sector help them?


Be specific, please.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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What would stop homeless from homesteading?
If the land doesn't have a private owner it's up for grabs. Knock yourself out.

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Some may already be on the way to adverse possession.
That would be a legal issue which is a statist creation. It's not applicable in a free society where property rights are absolute and based on the rightful condition of homesteading.

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How does one access their property without crossing someone else’s private property.
Market pressures.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:18 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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How could the private sector help them?


Be specific, please.
The private sector already helps them. I'm not an expert on it. If the market demand is there supply will follow.

You're a private individual with rights. If it's important to you that the homeless be cared for you'll have to put market pressure on others to convince them to take action. Put your skills, persuasion talents, and imagination on said market and good luck. You'll be competing with a host of other causes/products/services. It's natural law.
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Old 02-19-2020, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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What I would do is use eminent domain on expensive liberal strongholds and put a homeless shelter and **** them off...
Eminent domain compels government to pay fair market value.

Homes and properties in “ expensive liberal communities” can and do fetch $20-100 + million because there are more buyers than sellers.
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