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Old 02-20-2020, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Having the remnants of Obamacare still around crushing American voters finances, is helping Republicans get votes.

Here's all Trump has to say...

"we tried to repeal, and replace, Obamacare, but Nancy Pelosi wouldn't even allow a vote on it, so you have her to blame for your high-cost low-coverage plan. If you want it fixed, you must give us the House so Nancy Pelosi can no longer stop us from fixing it"
Nancy Pelosi has been Speaker of the House since January, 2019. What bill to repeal/ replace Obamacare has crossed her desk in the past 13 months?

Can you provide a link, please.
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:32 PM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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What if granny doesnt have any money and gets pneumonia?
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That’s what family is for.

Well, maybe that is what you think your family is for!
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:33 PM
 
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Well, maybe that is what you think your family is for!
Co dependent family members. Anyway, not everyone has family.
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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Japan calls it the Metabo Law. The waist measuring mandate for those age 40-74 was created to reduce the percentage of the population that is overweight by 25%. Contrary to some online news, it is not illegal to be fat in Japan. Those with measures in excess of the healthy range recieve counseling, guidance and support. Employers however face financial penalties if its employees do not hit a targeted reduction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/w...sia/13fat.html

https://www.mic.com/articles/84521/j...fly-in-america

Since 13, Dubai pays overweight people in gold to lose weight- double if a child.

https://invest.usgoldbureau.com/news...eight-in-gold/

New Zealand will not grant work visas to overweight people.

What might be if, with advance notice, the US paid the entire healthcare premium of those with waist sizes in the healthy range?
None of these policies came from physicians or other scientists. They came from politicians who I think we've pretty much determined don't know Jack about health care.

As to your question, we'd get an outbreak of eating disorders. A doctor in Japan referenced that in my link. You need to get off this obesity fetish. Obesity is not responsible for every health problem in the US and the US is not the only country with an obesity problem.
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Yes, you are correct.

We can do a lot more for people than we could in 1960. That's one reason for increasing costs.



WRT the first two, much as you want to think it's all diet (obesity) and exercise related, there are other risk factors as well.

Cholesterol:
https://www.cdc.gov/cholesterol/risk_factors.htm
"If you have a family history of high cholesterol, you are more likely to have high cholesterol. . . The risk for high cholesterol can increase even more when a family history of high cholesterol combines with unhealthy lifestyle choices, such as eating an unhealthy diet. . . Everyone’s risk for high cholesterol goes up with age. . . At any age, men tend to have lower high-density lipoprotein (HDL, or “good”) cholesterol than women do."

High Blood Pressure:
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20373410
Risk factors:
Age, race, family history, being overweight or obese, not being physically active, using tobacco, too much salt in the diet, not enough potassium, drinking too much alcohol, stress, certain chronic conditions.

Not much you can do about the first three.

Type II Diabetes:
https://www.niddk.nih.gov/health-inf...ype-2-diabetes
Overweight/obese, age 45+, family history, certain races, etc including gestational diabetes in pregnancy or delivery of a baby over 9#; polycystic ovary syndrome, and some skin conditions. Nothing you can do about some of those either.

katharsis gave some good stats on nursing home residence.
^ examples all refer to weight/ lifestyle choices as major risk factors.

Excess weight is a major contributing factor to health care utilization, thus cost. I do understand some ethnicities have a genetic predisposition to Diabetes- all the more reason to be vigilant about weight and exercise.

Diabetes is an epidemic. The American Diabetes Association says one- third of the population has been diagnosed as Diabetic or Pre Diabetic. It costs and average of $10,000 a year to treat Diabetes and ensuing complications. It is one of the most avoidable diseases.
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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That is so true. Doctors hire staff that find ways to charge for stuff or they would be broke.
Do they?

I have not noticed this. What kind of staff and stuff?
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Old 02-20-2020, 02:58 PM
 
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Do they?

I have not noticed this. What kind of staff and stuff?
Medical assistants/nurses usually. Those people you see at the front desk one or more of them usually does billing. In nursing homes is where I have the most experience with them. They can make the nursing home and doctor lots of money.
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Old 02-20-2020, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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None of these policies came from physicians or other scientists. They came from politicians who I think we've pretty much determined don't know Jack about health care.

As to your question, we'd get an outbreak of eating disorders. A doctor in Japan referenced that in my link. You need to get off this obesity fetish. Obesity is not responsible for every health problem in the US and the US is not the only country with an obesity problem.
Never said obesity was responsible for EVERY health problem. It is however a major contributer to many, otherwise avoidable health problems.

With the exception of some Pacific island countries, the US has the highest obesity rate.

https://www.businessinsider.com/the-...-world-2014-11

Our healthcare costs are, IN PART, a reflection of our collective lack of personal responsibility.
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Old 02-20-2020, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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^ examples all refer to weight/ lifestyle choices as major risk factors.

Excess weight is a major contributing factor to health care utilization, thus cost. I do understand some ethnicities have a genetic predisposition to Diabetes- all the more reason to be vigilant about weight and exercise.

Diabetes is an epidemic. The American Diabetes Association says one- third of the population has been diagnosed as Diabetic or Pre Diabetic. It costs and average of $10,000 a year to treat Diabetes and ensuing complications. It is one of the most avoidable diseases.
While there is much media reference to a diabetes "epidemic", the CDC does not say that. Here is an article referring to a "global epidemic", whereas you seem to think it's just the US.
https://www.aljazeera.com/ajimpact/d...183227380.html
https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/basics/diabetes.html

Suppose you tell us all how to avoid being age 45 or older (other than dying before one's 45th birthday); having a parent or sibling with Type 2; having gestational diabetes (other than avoiding pregnancy);being African American, Hispanic/Latino American, American Indian, or Alaska Native (some Pacific Islanders and Asian Americans are also at higher risk). (Op cit)
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Old 02-20-2020, 03:15 PM
 
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Maybe because they care about health? As opposed to Trump, who doesn’t care.
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