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Old 02-19-2020, 08:47 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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It’s the job of people who write bills to come up with plans, and it’s the job of people in Congress to write bills.
Insurance company lawyers/officials wrote Obamacare.
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:48 PM
 
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Who would cover all the elderly in Florida that were dumped in the nursing homes by millions of families? They are all on Medicare and Medicaid (covers a huge portion of the nursing home cost) and I don't see any responsible conservative children coming here and taking them home. And I doubt all these 80-year-old great grandparents can work a cash register at Walmart to cover rent and medical.
Already we pay, and have always paid, for every bit of healthcare in this country, one way or the other. The problem is how we go about it. We have always had a profit based system. Eventually we will have to form an evidence based system.
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Old 02-19-2020, 08:52 PM
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I would think that most likely, the majority of the population doesn’t want to die, or sink their family into debt paying for medical care and coverage, so...until such day there is an acceptable form of healthcare available to all legal US citizens this issue will always be in the top 5 reasons to elect public officials.

Which is why we'll never have access to truly fair, competent and affordable healthcare.
The promise of such will always be a major sales pitch for electability.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:16 PM
 
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No. Government has no business meddling in healthcare. Take care of yourself. Stop demanding others pay for you.
Only the wealthy can afford to pay for their healthcare. There are many who work paycheck to paycheck who just can't afford it. Some prescriptions can cost $1000 or more. Hospital stays are extremely expensive. And they nickle and dime you for everything. Bring your own advil and ban aids because they will be added to your bill. Cancer treatments are expensive. All medical care is expensive. How can people afford it out of pocket while still paying their normal monthly expenses. The middle class and certainly not the poor has that kind of money in the bank.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:24 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Somebody needs to. Trump had one that was cheaper and better and covered everybody. Far better than Obamacare. Think that was earlier this year, then I didnt hear anything else about it. Weird.
Trump campaigned on the promise to “REPLACE Obamacare with something wonderful that was going to take care of everybody and the government is going to pay for it.” There is no daylight between that an Berni’s goofy M4A.

As we now know, Trump had no plan. Did not even mention it during his inauguration.


It’s February. What do you mean earlier this year?
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:28 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Ban all prescription drug television advertising. That's a start. Are Dems on board with that?
Who knows?

The drug companies know when viewers do as instructed and ask what XYZ can do for them, they are more likely to get a script for XY. Than a patient with similar symptoms who does not ask.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:31 PM
 
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Trump campaigned on the promise to “REPLACE Obamacare with something wonderful that was going to take care of everybody and the government is going to pay for it.” There is no daylight between that an Berni’s goofy M4A.

As we now know, Trump had no plan. Did not even mention it during his inauguration.


It’s February. What do you mean earlier this year?
There is only one way for us not to pay for all the healthcare in the country, and that is push sick poor people to the curb. Very few will admit that is what they are actually saying. Right now we have a profit based system, we will eventually have to have a universal evidence based healthcare system. We really do now, we just do it the least scientific way possible. Profit. OH yea, March 2019. I been sick all week, I dont know what year it is.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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A lot of money is saved right away. Over the longer term, their influence decreases more than linearly.

Also remove the mandate that employers must at least offer insurance plans.

Disincentivise HMO "maintenance" plan purchases. Trump's cuts already in federal government capacity to nag people to buy them is one way.

Legalize insurance purchase across state lines.
Nothing prevents insurance from being sold across state lines.

States regulate insurers and no two states have the same regulations. An out of state insurer would minimally need to comply with regulations which means a difference in premiums.

Insurers need networks where providers agree to reimbursement rates. An out of state insurer would not have a network and would reimburse at out of network rates. The diff would be balance billed to the insurer party.

Healthcare insurance is geo rated. Insurers may not insure people in all regions in a state. The same insurer may sell the same plan to the same demographic in a state at a different premium. The number and type of claims made in a region matters. If you live in a region with a lot of sick people chances are your premium is more than those who live in healthier regions or states.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:37 PM
 
Location: Coastal San Diego
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Ban all prescription drug television advertising. That's a start. Are Dems on board with that?
Why ban prescription drug television advertising? How else are you going to learn what drugs are available? On an anonymous Internet forum?

What's the difference between a Ford and a Chevy? Advertising tells you the difference. Marketing and competition are good things.
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Old 02-19-2020, 09:44 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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It’s the job of people who write bills to come up with plans, and it’s the job of people in Congress to write bills.
Most Congress Critters don’t know squat about healthcare or insurance. Congress did not cincieve of or write Medicare in 1965. Congress did not conceive of or write Medicare Part D- medications.

It has to come from the Administration who has the resources and funds to develop it. Congress reacts to it and may make changes but they are not capable of writing it.
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