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Old 02-21-2020, 06:41 PM
 
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Delusional post.

This is a political board.

If you don't like the policy I agree with (M4A), propose another.
Your policy is to force other people at gunpoint to pay for your expenses.

That’s called slavery.
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Old 02-21-2020, 06:46 PM
 
Location: Atlanta, GA
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Your policy is to force other people at gunpoint to pay for your expenses.
No, it forces everyone (after a certain poverty threshold) to pay in and gives everyone the benefits. It's the cheapest and easiest system and one the rest of the world has correct in viewing health care as a human right.

It will make our nation as a whole healthier, happier, and SO much more stress free.
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Old 02-21-2020, 07:11 PM
 
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No, it forces everyone (after a certain poverty threshold) to pay in and gives everyone the benefits. It's the cheapest and easiest system and one the rest of the world has correct in viewing health care as a human right.

It will make our nation as a whole healthier, happier, and SO much more stress free.
Why should anybody be forced to do anything? Are we your slaves?
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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The AMA is lobbying for more doctors, not fewer.

If you want someone "practicing" on you without having to demonstrate competency, feel free.
The AMA is subversive just like the NRA.

Most of their political contributions have been to the GOP yet they have been pro-Obamacare.

And now they're against M4A.

Google their contradictions list then think about what their objectives are. Bribery, corporatism, and being in the back pocket of politicians is always a messy adventure.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:29 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
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The AMA is subversive just like the NRA.

Most of their political contributions have been to the GOP yet they have been pro-Obamacare.

And now they're against M4A.

Google their contradictions list then think about what their objectives are. Bribery, corporatism, and being in the back pocket of politicians is always a messy adventure.
My initial response to you was concerning the allegation that medical errors are the third leading cause of death in the US. Since I provided the reasons that is not true you have moved the goalposts to launch a diatribe against the AMA, which has a far smaller impact on medical care than you seem to think it does.

The fact is the AMA supports increasing the number of doctors.

If you want to discuss "their contradictions list", you post a link to said list.
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Old 02-21-2020, 08:56 PM
 
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The fed govt restricts the supply of doctors, treatment facilities, medications etc. while ramping up demand of the same through various schemes. What could go wrong?
They do that as a favor to the lobbyists in the Insurance and Healthcare Sector that are the top spenders in the nation.

Protectionism.

Free Market Capitalism does not exist in America.

There are many ways to drive costs down in America with free market capitalism alone, but the shareholders and healthcare and insurance industry do not want to lose their cash cow.

Bring in cheap clinics and doctors from Mexico, no more out of network BS.\

The same people have no problem with driving down other peoples wages via globalism in order to make bank.\

There are a ton of free market capitalist ways to bankrupt the healthcare industry in America.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:00 PM
 
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And grants monopoly power to hospital cartels, medical equipment manufacturers and pharmaceutical companies, including the power to use force and violence to get their way.

Good thing the current plan everyone has is to increase their power over the entire enterprise. Because yeah, that makes sense.
The Healthcare and Insurance Lobbyist solution to high prices is to Lobby the government to get everyone to prop them up. Don't let prices drop in accordance with free market capitalism, just steal from everyone. It was not the poor and middle class that lobbied for and wrote Obamacare, it was the insurance industry.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:04 PM
 
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There was a time when doctors could finish all of their education in 6 years. I know a doctor who retired about 3 years ago, and that's how he went through medical school. They should reintroduce these types of programs. They will likely just bring doctors from 3rd world countries though, because it's better than allowing the entire system to collapse.
The problem is, the hospitals and shareholders will take advantage of cheap labor doctors from around the world and charge customers the same prices in order to make bank. They have no incentive to lower prices since the demand to live and be well is always there.

We need to make it very expensive for the Big Business to exist and cheap for small business to start. Instead, everything is backwards where the Big Business Corporations are given tax breaks, favors, contracts and kickbacks and the small business is crushed.

Big Business have deep pockets to pay off the politicians.
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma
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Why should anybody be forced to do anything? Are we your slaves?
Really. To avoid becoming a slave why should you be forced to pay for your electric bill if you want lights?
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Old 02-21-2020, 09:07 PM
 
Location: Texas
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You mean take care of yourself because government wont do a good job. Gee who would have thought that?
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