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Old 02-21-2020, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Free State of Florida
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The Dems are okay with paying College Professors 6 figure money to teach 1 or 2 classes, and for tuition to outpace inflation. so I'm okay with the farmers getting a piece of the handout pie.

Very few Americans are starving to death, but lots of college grads with useless degrees cannot finds jobs, even in a great economy, so farmers are outproducing College professors.

Farmers A
College Professors D
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Old 02-21-2020, 04:44 PM
 
Location: 20 years from now
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providing subsidies is not SOCIALISM
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Old 02-21-2020, 04:47 PM
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providing subsidies is not SOCIALISM
These aren't the normal subsidies we're talking about. This is CASH welfare handouts.
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Old 02-21-2020, 04:52 PM
 
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These aren't the normal subsidies we're talking about. This is CASH welfare handouts.
Cash welfare, subsidies is NOT socialism either.
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Old 02-21-2020, 04:54 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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providing subsidies is not SOCIALISM
That's almost literally one of the definitions of socialism -- the state distributing money & resources to those in need.
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Old 02-21-2020, 04:58 PM
 
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That's almost literally one of the definitions of socialism -- the state distributing money & resources to those in need.
Edward Bernstein says you're wrong. Under Socialism, the State balances the share of the market with the private industry. It's a not a take over or confiscation like it would be under communism, but it takes over a larger share of it. Providing a subsidy to a farmer is no socialism.
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Old 02-21-2020, 05:04 PM
 
Location: Chicago, IL
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Edward Bernstein says you're wrong. Under Socialism, the State balances the share of the market with the private industry. It's a not a take over or confiscation like it would be under communism, but it takes over a larger share of it. Providing a subsidy to a farmer is no socialism.
Socialism has nothing to do with the market or with ownership. You can create a system to achieve socialism based around the market, but it's not inherent or necessary for socialism. Socialism is about achieving a fair distribution of resources. That's it. Anything more is just someone's idea on the best way to get there.

Distributing resources to people in need is a core tenet of socialism, regardless of how it's delivered. Socialism delivered by subsidy is still socialism.
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Old 02-21-2020, 05:06 PM
 
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Socialism has nothing to do with the market or with ownership. You can create a system to achieve socialism based around the market, but it's not inherent or necessary for socialism. Socialism is about achieving a fair distribution of resources. That's it. Anything more is just someone's idea on the best way to get there.

Distributing resources to people in need is a core tenet of socialism, regardless of how it's delivered. Socialism delivered by subsidy is still socialism.
Wrong. What's your point of reference btw?
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Old 02-21-2020, 05:10 PM
 
Location: Clyde Hill, WA
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That's almost literally one of the definitions of socialism -- the state distributing money & resources to those in need.
No that's not "almost literally" a definition of socialism. Virtually every nation on earth would qualify as socialist under that definition.

The generally accepted definition of socialism is: collective ownership of the means of production. Means of production=any enterprise that contributes to getting goods and services into the hands of the end user, such as farms, factories, warehouses, stores, mining operations, etc.
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Old 02-21-2020, 05:10 PM
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Edward Bernstein says you're wrong. Under Socialism, the State balances the share of the market with the private industry. It's a not a take over or confiscation like it would be under communism, but it takes over a larger share of it. Providing a subsidy to a farmer is no socialism.
According to Republicans, anything and everything that flows from the government to the people is socialism, and must be stopped completely and eliminated before we instantaneously burst into the full flames of communism!

Unless of course it cynically benefits them somehow.
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