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Old 02-22-2020, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Originally Posted by 1AngryTaxPayer View Post
Border area checkpoints are up to 100 miles from the border.
Why not 101 miles?

 
Old 02-22-2020, 10:43 AM
 
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Last summer, was with a woman married to a scientist born in a Middle Eastern nation. However, they had lived in Salt Lake City for nearly fifty years.

She stated that she believed our country would be better if we had one man running it, "not a king, but like a king, a ruler."

But she was serious as a heart attack. She was very involved in her church and believed that following a strong leader was the way to go.

I asked her if this had ever worked out well for people.

Her husband asked her how much she'd had to drink that day.

Allowing government forces to randomly search without a warrant is sliding down that slippery slope.
Im honestly not surprised...so many people today justify the govt doing these kinds of things, because they believe its in their best interest or makes them safer.


Im not sure how we got to this point, but its pretty common for American citizens to willingly give up freedoms or liberties, for the sake of safety/ security!


"Give me safety or give me death" is the modern mantra. LOL
 
Old 02-22-2020, 10:49 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Why not 101 miles?
https://www.aclu.org/other/constitut...le-border-zone
 
Old 02-22-2020, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Do you agree with that?
 
Old 02-22-2020, 11:02 AM
 
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Irrelevant in the case of a commercial venture that serves the public. There's no reason why Greyhound has the right to prohibit immigration searches on their buses. That's like saying the police can't enter Walmart to apprehend a shoplifter or can't enter a bank to apprehend a bank robber.
even the Border Patrol Chief disagrees with you

https://apnews.com/48960c783dd3f22af2ad320227e40b20
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The memo obtained by the AP was dated Jan. 28, addressed to all chief patrol agents and signed by then-Border Patrol Chief Carla Provost just before she retired. It confirms the legal position that Greyhound’s critics have taken: that the Constitution’s Fourth Amendment prevents agents from boarding buses and questioning passengers without a warrant or the consent of the company.
“When transportation checks occur on a bus at non-checkpoint locations, the agent must demonstrate that he or she gained access to the bus with the consent of the company’s owner or one of the company’s employees,” the memo states. An agent’s actions while on the bus “would not cause a reasonable person to believe that he or she is unable to terminate the encounter with the agent.”
Greyhound previously argued that case law, including a 1973 Supreme Court ruling, did not extend the Fourth Amendment’s protections to commercial carriers.
 
Old 02-22-2020, 11:05 AM
 
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So Greyhound likes their illegals. I have noted that for future reference.
I appreciate them protecting the rights of their customers, something your own govt cant be trusted to do.
 
Old 02-22-2020, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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even the Border Patrol Chief disagrees with you

https://apnews.com/48960c783dd3f22af2ad320227e40b20
Every once in awhile a State agent has a moment of clarity.

It's only a matter of time that before that border chief is manning a weather station north of the Arctic Circle.
 
Old 02-22-2020, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Barrington
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Border Patrol agents have every right to check buses within 100 miles of borders.

I doubt it would take that much time to get a warrant anyhow.

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/g...215951696.html
There are tens of thousands harvesting strawberries in a full view throughout Florida, right now. . This will be followed by tomato season and then the harvest moves north.

ICE could rent hundreds of buses to round up undocumented workers and those who economically engage them.

And yet this does not happen. Why is this?

There is no cap on H2A seasonal agriculture workers.

Last edited by middle-aged mom; 02-22-2020 at 12:42 PM..
 
Old 02-22-2020, 11:39 AM
 
Location: King County, WA
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I'm okay with this. We're not Nazi Germany. If there were a national emergency then perhaps it would be justified.
 
Old 02-22-2020, 11:41 AM
 
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Im honestly not surprised...so many people today justify the govt doing these kinds of things, because they believe its in their best interest or makes them safer.


Im not sure how we got to this point, but its pretty common for American citizens to willingly give up freedoms or liberties, for the sake of safety/ security!


"Give me safety or give me death" is the modern mantra. LOL
Without security there is no freedom.
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