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Old 02-22-2020, 12:35 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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John Adams had people who criticized him arrested. Jefferson tried to destroy Hamilton. Lincoln had quite a few political adversaries, including sitting judges, arrested. Woodrow Wilson’s wife, who many argue was the true president in the later part of his term, targeted anyone who questioned his competence to remain in office. Taft didn’t hesitate to fire anyone who even slightly disagreed with him. FDR had political enemies and members of the press targeted for tax audits. It was a barely kept secret that LBJ went after and in actuality destroyed those that went up against him. Nixon literally kept an enemies list for targeting. Look up Gerald Ford’s Halloween Massacre. And, it would be neglectful to not throw both Clinton and Obama’s names into the mix.

Trump is historically nowhere towards to top, just in past it was understood that presidents had a right to have people working for them that they could trust. Interestingly, the very first impeachment boils down to congress deciding that President Johnson didn’t have a right to determine their own staff. Harry Truman was almost impeached over firing General MacArthur. The true big difference for a Trump compared to past presidents who fired people who disagreed with them - the parameters of the press coverage.
Modern liberals only think it's "vindicative" if he's doing it to them.

What FDR, Johnson, Obama et. al. did wasn't such a big deal as far as they are concerned.

But you should hear them scream about Nixon, who actually did less than many others.
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Old 02-22-2020, 12:43 PM
 
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No such thing since Trump isn't conservative. Not that you care about the truth.
^^^^^ The bolded

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But keep repeating the nonsense that your handlers tell you. Maybe they'll give you more handouts.
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Old 02-22-2020, 12:50 PM
 
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Maybe older posters here, or historian hobbyists, might have an informed opinion on this. It's all over the news how Trump is going after so many people who he views as not backing him - Yovanovitch, Vindman, Maguire, Rood.

It's common for presidents to value loyalty, but I don't think there's ever been anything like this. Trump makes Nixon look like a kind, forgiving person.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...es/ar-BB10gacc
Has a president ever been under constant attack from his foes?

No.

It's more than just people not backing the president. Ultimately this is more about the opposition than Trump.

Have we ever had Americans attacking other Americans as the radical liberals continue to do?

No.

Have ever had a totally partisan phony impeachment process?

No.
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Old 02-22-2020, 12:57 PM
 
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Has a president ever been under constant attack from his foes?

No. Yes.

It's more than just people not backing the president. Ultimately this is more about the opposition than Trump.

Have we ever had Americans attacking other Americans as the radical liberals continue to do?

No. Yes.

Have ever had a totally partisan phony impeachment process?

No. Yes.
You fail at history. Corrected.
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Old 02-22-2020, 01:06 PM
 
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No such thing since Trump isn't conservative. Not that you care about the truth. But keep repeating the nonsense that your handlers tell you. Maybe they'll give you more handouts.
I don't have handlers and if you didnt know it was true it would not bother you.
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Old 02-22-2020, 01:07 PM
 
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"Honestly, this period in our history will reflect badly on Republicans for not upholding our constitution and allowing Trump carte blanche because they are scared of him."

I don't think he has signed as many EO'EM's yet as obama did.

I don't think he has been overturned as many times as obama was by the SC, some by a 9-0 vote, for for not upholding our constitution AND obama "taught" Constitutional law. Guess those Harvard law degrees aren't what we are suppose to believe they are.

^^^^^ Good points.

You may be wrong, but I'd guess you're right.

Perhaps someone will post the specific stats.
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Old 02-22-2020, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Originally Posted by Cida View Post
Maybe older posters here, or historian hobbyists, might have an informed opinion on this. It's all over the news how Trump is going after so many people who he views as not backing him - Yovanovitch, Vindman, Maguire, Rood.

It's common for presidents to value loyalty, but I don't think there's ever been anything like this. Trump makes Nixon look like a kind, forgiving person.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...es/ar-BB10gacc
Obama was very vindictive


LBJ was a crook


FDR was vindictive


Wilson was very controlling


Kennedy had Bobby as his bulldog


T.R has his bully pulpit
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Old 02-22-2020, 01:20 PM
 
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Obama was very vindictive


LBJ was a crook


FDR was vindictive


Wilson was very controlling


Kennedy had Bobby as his bulldog


T.R has his bully pulpit

and tRump is all of the above wrapped up in one fake president with Rudy as his bulldog
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Old 02-22-2020, 01:21 PM
 
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We all know who Trump is - why minimize who he is? I didn’t like Obama but never acted anywhere as immature as Trump.
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Old 02-22-2020, 02:41 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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using the IRS to target conservative groups seems pretty vindictive....and illegal
Hmmpph...guess ya should have done something while you had the chance.
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