Bernie's Logic: Do the MATH !!!!! (millionaires, lobbyist, politician, federal government)
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The opposition to M4All is not about cost or care, it is ideological. Collective=evil. Either that or insurance company profiteers and Wall ST that lives off of their profits opposes it.
From a policy perspective, it makes sense, but most of the opposition can't debate the policy honestly because of ideology or greed. Someone close to me who works on Wall ST and is on the right ideologicaly admitted it .....Wall St's fear is losing the profits from the insurance industry is a major motivation against this policy.
I got the number from Snopes. That he calls for 52% for those making over 10 million. Please keep your smugness to yourself. Don't debate me. Just ignore me. Thanks.
We do not have freedom within our healthcare debacle. Do you consider freedom to be being tied to a certain group or plan that your employer renegotiates yearly, linking you to a particular in-network group of doctors, costing you more than double than any other advanced country on the planet?
I do not consider that to be freedom or liberty.
The wife and I haven't been "employer" sponsored for our healthcare for about 6 years now. Sure, it would be awesome to not have to pay that $675 monthly premium but not on the backs of others.
We might luck out if Bernie wins, our income is under where he changes the tax bracket, and 4% of our income comes in roughly $2k under what we pay now. Now, if my wife's employer decides to throw in the towel and close up shop because it is going to cost him so much more under Bernie's plan and she loses her job...well that won't be so good.
We do not have freedom within our healthcare debacle. Do you consider freedom to be being tied to a certain group or plan that your employer renegotiates yearly, linking you to a particular in-network group of doctors, costing you more than double than any other advanced country on the planet?
I do not consider that to be freedom or liberty.
yeah thank your elected reps both past and present for the system in place now. Im not advocating for it, you on the other hand are asking for more of it.
yeah thank your elected reps both past and present for the system in place now. Im not advocating for it, you on the other hand are asking for more of it.
What do you think the alternative is? The status quo? As someone who has lived both under our sytem and a so-called socialist system, I can tell you that my personal experience under the latter was much 'freer' with more personal choice in doctors and options as well as being significantly cheaper.
One only has to do the comparative analysis to see that our system is seriously flawed. It neither delivers care to us at a reasonable cost, nor does it deliver care to all people. This is a no brainer.
I take this back.. Sanders has actually said up to 70% tax for those making 10 million or more....
Hey Kids, grow up to be mediocre so you are not penalized by the federal government! Work hard, but not too hard! The new American Way!
What do you think the alternative is? The status quo? As someone who has lived both under our sytem and a so-called socialist system, I can tell you that my personal experience under the latter was much 'freer' with more personal choice in doctors and options as well as being significantly cheaper.
One only has to do the comparative analysis to see that our system is seriously flawed. It neither delivers care to us at a reasonable cost, nor does it deliver care to all people. This is a no brainer.
get the politicians, the bureaucrats and their lobbyists out of it.
Your health care should be between you and the person/s providing the actual service.
Very sketchy numbers in the first post. The basis of the Sanders plan is expanding the 2.9% payroll tax to 7.5% in lieu of the health insurance premium ... until we find out that there are substantial out-of-pocket costs that Medicare A will not cover. Medicare B relies on premiums. Medicare and Medicaid are mostly run by a cartel of private insurers piggybacking on the federal claims database. There will still be a market for private insurance.
Sanders is probably going to win the Democratic nomination. He essentially got an endorsement from the CIA through their fake Russia-meddling claim. They put him on notice that they would run the same type of campaign against him that they ran against Trump. Sanders played along by issuing a "warning" to the "Russians". That rules out the fake collusion accusations.
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