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Old 02-23-2020, 04:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Roscoe Conkling View Post
Which is basically the NHS system.
I find it hard to understand why people wouldn't want a health service that's free to everyone at the point of use, including free visits to doctors and virtually free drugs and treatment, prefering instead to cripple themselves financial with health insurance.
Beats me.
The system ain't perfect and at critical times like winter when people fall over a lot and there's flu about it can seem like everything is breaking down.
But trust me having to wait for a few hours in an non-emergency is find when it's free.
You have money and want to see someone instantly ? Fine,take out health insurance.
You'll get a nicer bed in a nicer hospital much quicker but the actual care and treatment you'll receive is exactly the same.
Often performed by doctors who work in both sectors ( if you earn money in the private sector as say a surgeon you're obliged to perform a certain number of NHS hours as well.They did,after all,train you in the first place. )
No it’s not, because in the NHS the doctors work for the government.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:14 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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No it’s not, because in the NHS the doctors work for the government.
NHS Hospital Doctors are employed by a local NHS Trust, and there are private hospitals and private practie in the UK. Local General Practitioners (GP) Surgeries are often run by a number of GP partners.

The system is devolved in to England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland each with it's own governing body, before further being devolved in to local trusts, as well as General Practices at a primary care local level. Private companies do privide some NHS services, and there are private health care providers and hospitals ijn the UK, however the vast majority of people just use NHS services. Some specialised NHS Trusts also offer private treatment to patients in order to increase funds, and NHS trusts can also apply for charitable status such as Great Ormond Street Children's Hospital, whilst medical charities and trusts also provide independent funding.

NHS trust - Wikipedia

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Old 02-23-2020, 05:14 AM
 
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If your pay comes from the govt, you are its defacto employee.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:26 AM
 
Location: Boston, MA
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I don’t want to go to the post office for my health care.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:29 AM
 
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Hell no.

Three words.

Liverpool Care Pathway.

The wikipedia entry is BS. UK doctors snuffed out thousands of British seniors to save costs and provide rationed care to others who had longer to live. They even got a bonus to do it. In addition, they took these actions without the consent of the families. Imagine some doctor drugging up your grandma, depriving her of water, and then letting her die in a couple days for a few pound bonus. You want that kind of thinking here?
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:37 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Hell no.

Three words.

Liverpool Care Pathway.

The wikipedia entry is BS. UK doctors snuffed out thousands of British seniors to save costs and provide rationed care to others who had longer to live. They even got a bonus to do it. In addition, they took these actions without the consent of the families. Imagine some doctor drugging up your grandma, depriving her of water, and then letting her die in a couple days for a few pound bonus. You want that kind of thinking here?
The UK is an acknowledged leader in palliative care.

The current UK System allows for support for those who wish to die at home with familt, as well as an increasing number hospices and hospital support and it came out first in a study of 80 nations.

UK end-of-life care 'best in world' - BBC News

UK is the best place in the world to die, according to end-of-life index - The Guardian

End of Life Care - the UK the best in the world - CNWL NHS
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:40 AM
 
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Oh well, you have a link or two and that made what I said totally untrue!

Oh and from the BBC and The Guardian no less. Two of the best propaganda outlets in existence.

Sheesh, leftists are dumb.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:41 AM
 
Location: Haiku
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Originally Posted by Roscoe Conkling View Post
Which is basically the NHS system.
I find it hard to understand why people wouldn't want a health service that's free to everyone at the point of use,
It is too big of a change from what we have now. People got pretty cranky when Obamacare's promise of "you can keep your doctor" didn't work out, well wait until you move everyone in the country to a big massive bureaucratic mess and see what people say.

I think the US needs a universal plan for basic care that insures everyone. If people want more coverage they buy a private plan.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:41 AM
 
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Again, who cares what health care system the sheep in Canada, the UK, Sweden et al. have, all those systems would be disastrous if adopted here.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:46 AM
 
Location: Great Britain
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Oh well, you have a link or two and that made what I said totally untrue!

Oh and from the BBC and The Guardian no less. Two of the best propaganda outlets in existence.

Sheesh, leftists are dumb.
It's a study that a lot of news outlets reported on.

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The quality of palliative care offered in the UK has been ranked the best of 80 countries around the world, according to research by the Economist Intelligence Unit (EIU).

Amongst the reasons for this was the existence of “extensive integration of palliative care into the NHS”, as well as comprehensive national policies, a strong hospice movement, and “deep community engagement” on the issue.

The UK also came first in the previous ‘Quality of Death Index’ five years ago.

UK has best palliative care in the world – but services still ‘inadequate’ for some - National Health Executive

UK's palliative care ranked top in international list | Nursing Times

UK ranked best palliative care in the world | Nursing in Practice




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