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Old 02-23-2020, 03:04 PM
 
Location: Wouldn't you like to know?
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Nope.

But please tell us how Putin convinced Democrats to vote for Trump.

They didnt.



Pg 9 of Muller report:


Further, the evidence was not sufficient to charge that any member of the Trump Campaign conspired with representatives of the Russian government to interfere in the 2016 election.
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Old 02-23-2020, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Nope.

But please tell us how Putin convinced Democrats to vote for Trump.

Can't be hard for a fellow such as yourself who has all those "facts".
Notice WK's tactic here: He/she/it does not address the claim that Russia tried to interfere in the election, but makes it look like he/she/it is responding to the claim, but without actually doing so, by responding to a somewhat different claim that 'Putin convinced democrats to vote for Trump.'

Quite dishonest tactic. But easy to see through.
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Old 02-23-2020, 03:45 PM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Trump's ENERGY POLICY alone is evidence he is not run by Putin who gets all his revenue from fossil fuel production. Trump has made the U.S the number one Oil producer in the world, and a net exporter of Energy. Totally against what Putin wants. Yet the MEDIA never addresses that.
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Old 02-23-2020, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Kansas City, MISSOURI
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Incidentally, one could easily refute the OP's claim by noting that, far more than Trump, Sanders would reduce US oil consumption compared to Trump by implementing all kinds of green policies such as increased gas mileage requirements, encouraging more electric vehicles, higher gas taxes, etc. So even if we accept the premise that US oil production under Trump would be higher than under Sanders, US oil consumption under Sanders would be lower than under Trump. In the end it would be a wash.

In fact, if US oil production were higher under Trump, that might depress world oil prices. Lower oil prices would hurt Russia's economy. And thus, a Trump presidency would hurt Russia.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:34 PM
 
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Notice WK's tactic here: He/she/it does not address the claim that Russia tried to interfere in the election, but makes it look like he/she/it is responding to the claim, but without actually doing so, by responding to a somewhat different claim that 'Putin convinced democrats to vote for Trump.'

Quite dishonest tactic. But easy to see through.
Yep.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:50 PM
 
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Putin does want Trump to cont. being his asset. But if he can't get him, then the runner up is Sanders.

It's not just Putin's actions. It's well known in Congress that Putin has been paying Trump for some time. And a guy named Dana Rohrbacher or something like that. Trump sent a draft agreement to Putin in 2016 for the building of the Moscow Hotel they were working on. That was the time when he lied on tv and said he didn't know of any business dealings he had with Putin or Russia. No deals. No deals, he said.

Trump Jr. had that infamous meeting in Trump Tower with a Russian rep (actually it was a group of Trump's campaign team that met w/her) about Hillary's emails.

Kushner tried to set up a backchannel for them to communicate with Russia w/o intel knowing.

Flynn was speaking w/Russian reps before Trump took office about getting rid of the sanctions that Putin wanted addressed first (the main one that Putin uses to launder money).

And on and on. This is common knowledge. Trump also lies that he's been hard on Russia w/sanctions ("harder than any President in history!). That's a lie. He did away with sanctions...until Congress passed a bill to legislate them, so Trump had to. But I think the sanctions were weaker than they had been initially (not sure about that). Other times, Trump refused to do sanctions on Russia. In other words, he never put sanctions on Russia. Only Congress did.

The Sanders thing is weird, but I guess Putin wants him as a second choice, in case the bots & hacking doesn't work this time, and Trump's opponent wins. Sanders is a socialist; Russia has a socialist economy. Sanders honeymooned in Russia. So there are reasons for Putin to think that Sanders might go easier on him than the Democrats. (Sanders is not a Democrat.)
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:52 PM
 
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Notice WK's tactic here: He/she/it does not address the claim that Russia tried to interfere in the election....
Yes I did. I said you were full of bull****, last time you lost the argument and made it personal like you are doing now. You got nothing else. Saving the relevant conversation for those who actually wish to discuss the topic.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:53 PM
 
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Incidentally, one could easily refute the OP's claim .....

Why don't YOU tell us how the Russians made ANY Democrat vote for Trump. It's a simple question. Can't be hard to answer since you are so sure about it. And if you can't, then see the previous post.
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:57 PM
 
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Oh geez, Fems are going to do this agaaain?
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Old 02-23-2020, 05:59 PM
 
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Why don't YOU tell us how the Russians made ANY Democrat vote for Trump. It's a simple question. Can't be hard to answer since you are so sure about it. And if you can't, then see the previous post.

Uh, they paid Hillary to run?
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