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Old 02-24-2020, 04:54 PM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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With a quick read through the code for Wisconsin, this falls under health services and per the state's code that this causes no danger then the school may not disclose information related to health services to other school staff or parents without the student’s written consent.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/sta...es/118/125/1/d

So the parents will lose.
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Old 02-24-2020, 05:30 PM
 
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With a quick read through the code for Wisconsin, this falls under health services and per the state's code that this causes no danger then the school may not disclose information related to health services to other school staff or parents without the student’s written consent.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/sta...es/118/125/1/d

So the parents will lose.
You didn't cite the right statute. It doesn't say anything about "health services" or "danger". In any event, whatever the schools are doing, they are not providing a "health service". And the provisions of the Wisconsin and US Constitutions trump Wisconsin statutes in any event.
Moreover -- look at this insanity:
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Among other things, the district’s policy at the heart of the lawsuit states: “School staff shall not disclose any information that may reveal a student’s gender identity to others, including parents or guardians and other school staff, unless legally required to do so or unless the student has authorized such disclosure.”
School staff aren't qualified to determine anyone's "gender identity". So it would be impossible to violate or comply with that stupid policy.

The parents aren't going to lose.
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A long line of cases from both the Wisconsin Supreme Court and the United States Supreme Court establishes that parents have a constitutional right under both Article 1, Section 1 and the Fourteenth Amendment “to direct the upbringing and education of [their] children.” Matter of Visitation of A.A.L., 2019 WI 57, ¶ 15, 387 Wis. 2d 1, 927 N.W.2d 486 (quoting Pierce v. Society of Sisters, 268 U.S. 510, 534–35 (1925)); Barstad v. Frazier, 118 Wis. 2d 549, 567, 348 N.W.2d 479 (1984); In Interest of D.L.S., 112 Wis. 2d 180, 184, 332 N.W.2d 293 (1983); Troxel v. Granville, 530 U.S. 57, 65 (2000) (plurality op.). This is “perhaps the oldest of the fundamental liberty interests recognized by” the courts. Troxel, 530 U.S. at 65 (plurality op.). Over the years, the Supreme Court has described this right as “essential,” Meyer v. Nebraska, 262 U.S. 390, 399 (1923), “commanding,” Santosky v. Kramer, 455 U.S. 745, 759 (1982), a “basic civil right[ ] of man,” Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535, 541 (1942), “far more precious ... than property rights,” May v. Anderson, 345 U.S. 528, 533 (1953), and “established beyond debate as an enduring American tradition,” Wisconsin v. Yoder, 406 U.S. 205, 232 (1972).

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Old 02-24-2020, 05:43 PM
 
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The Left is pushing this stuff on our kids, and confused children who would possibly wind up straight, but would more likely wind up gay but comfortable with their sex of birth, are being encouraged to do something that almost all of them will regret later. Moreover, some are just doing it because it's a fad or to get attention. The Left's focus on the "trans" thing has resulted in an astounding 1500% increase in girls claiming to be trans in Sweden.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...diagnoses-soar
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The immediate trigger for Von Sivers’s themed week is a report from Sweden’s Board of Health and Welfare which confirmed a 1,500% rise between 2008 and 2018 in gender dysphoria diagnoses among 13- to 17-year-olds born as girls.

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Old 02-25-2020, 05:51 AM
 
Location: Rural Wisconsin
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With a quick read through the code for Wisconsin, this falls under health services and per the state's code that this causes no danger then the school may not disclose information related to health services to other school staff or parents without the student’s written consent.

https://docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/sta...es/118/125/1/d

So the parents will lose.
So how can a kindergartener give written consent?

In Colorado about 15 years ago, if memory serves, if a child was seeing a school counselor, everything the child said to the counselor was said in confidence starting at the age of 15. This seems to be a good dividing age (or 12 at the absolutely earliest, in my opinion).

Also, from the link at Post #9 on this thread: One of their court filings notes the district’s deceptions include “to evade the state law that requires Wisconsin schools to give parents access to all education records, the [Gender Support Plan] form directs teachers to keep this paperwork ‘in your confidential files, not in student records.'

https://thefederalist.com/2020/02/20...der-dysphoria/ (my italics):

So, I do think the parents do have a case.

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Old 02-25-2020, 05:58 AM
 
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The Left is pushing this stuff on our kids, and confused children who would possibly wind up straight, but would more likely wind up gay but comfortable with their sex of birth, are being encouraged to do something that almost all of them will regret later. Moreover, some are just doing it because it's a fad or to get attention. The Left's focus on the "trans" thing has resulted in an astounding 1500% increase in girls claiming to be trans in Sweden.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...diagnoses-soar
Yep.

There were a few tomboys in my school growing up. I can only imagine today they would've been fast tracked for surgery by a bunch of "progressive" teachers drunk on their authority of choosing other people's sex organs.
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Palm Coast FL
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Trans kids too often do not feel safe at home or at church. If they can be made safe at school, I'm all for it. Suicide and homelessness are rampant among trans kids. Helping them stay alive is more important than enabling the parents to wield power over them and very possibly throw them out of the house. Real lives are at risk here.
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:44 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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So how can a kindergartner give written consent?

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First I doubt a kindergartner will be able to go to school with a change of cloths. Secondly if a parent can't tell that their kindergartner child is acting in mannerisms of the opposite sex, then there are serious problems with the parents.
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Old 02-25-2020, 07:52 AM
 
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First I doubt a kindergartner will be able to go to school with a change of cloths. Secondly if a parent can't tell that their kindergartner child is acting in mannerisms of the opposite sex, then there are serious problems with the parents.
Define mannerisms of the opposite sex.
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Old 02-25-2020, 08:06 AM
 
Location: Somewhere below Mason/Dixon
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When a school system promotes lying to parents, it's time to get your kids OUT.
Unfortunately this town is Madison Wisconsin. It is a leftist center with the university of Wisconsin at its heart. The community will not stand up to this school, much of the community is looney left. Only the state would have the authority to step in and stop this, really they should. Indoctrination of young children, teaching them to not see the biological reality of gender and possibly subjecting older girls to the danger of young men being in the bathroom with them is completely unacceptable. The state should absolutely do something.

If you have kids in this school and still believe in reason and common sense I would ask then, why do you live in Madison Wisconsin? If you teach in that school and believe in reason I would ask, why are you still there? The social justice warriors in charge of the city, the public schools and the university are not likely to be unseated. The people there simply support that kind of crazy.
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Old 02-25-2020, 08:08 AM
 
Location: The Ranch in Olam Haba
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Define mannerisms of the opposite sex.
As males make up ~80% of transgenders, what do you think they are?
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