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If this thread is an attempt to compare tRump vs Obama this ashamed republican would vote for Obama's dog over the nitwit in office now....and I did not vote for Obama either time.
THE ONLY THING THAT OBAMA DID THAT I KNOW OF WAS SIGN THE "PACT ACT", which meant you were not able to mail any type of tobacco thru the mail, thus the indian reservations that sold cigartes were no longer able to do that, and if you were a smoker you then had to get cigs from a store near by, thus having to pay the full tax.
thats all i know of, and im not even a smoker, i just remember some of my collegues compaining of this.
I will even give you that he did ACA (even though HE didn't do any of the actual work on on it). And he was there when Osama was killed. But other than THAT, what did he actually do? Other than hobknob with Hollywood elites?
Please keep in mind that the ACA was an amazing accomplishment, something that other presidents tried to do for decades.
Then here are some items, better than anything we could come up with on our own.
As the world financial system implodes, Democrats have blamed the Bush administration's lack of regulation for creating the conditions for collapse. But a top Clinton regulator acknowledges that he and his colleagues a decade ago "beat back" regulatory efforts that could have prevented credit markets from becoming so precariously balanced they were a millisecond from disaster.
The nation's leading financial officials – Levitt, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin, and his deputy Lawrence Summers – pummeled the proposal, saying it was dangerous to even discuss the idea. Led by Rubin, Levitt and Greenspan, the Clinton White House instead proposed a modest set of reforms. Months later, Clinton Administration officials walked away from their own recommendations, concluding the market could be best managed by the financial industry.
Off the top of my head, just in foreign policy, since that is primarily Executive and very little legislative:
He engineered the coup of Yanukovych in Ukraine.
He engineered the ouster of Qaddafi and provided most of the military resources to turn Libya into the Wild West.
He not only capitulated to Sisi in Egypt, he gave him cash and arms as well.
He is the primary reason the US is currently involved with Syria
He had his DoJ run arms to Mexican cartels, apparently for the sole purpose of getting US border agents killed to drum up support for ant-gun policies.
And he campaigned on "winning Afghanistan" and well, we all know where that one went.
Oh yeah, and he used drones to murder several Americans, including children. So there's that also.
Not that Orange Jesus is even one ounce better than Black Jesus, but His Eminence, the High Exalted Barack The First was a foreign policy f***up waiting to happen, as well as a pretty solid murderer of people around the world.
Off the top of my head, just in foreign policy, since that is primarily Executive and very little legislative:
He engineered the coup of Yanukovych in Ukraine.
He engineered the ouster of Qaddafi and provided most of the military resources to turn Libya into the Wild West.
He not only capitulated to Sisi in Egypt, he gave him cash and arms as well.
He is the primary reason the US is currently involved with Syria
He had his DoJ run arms to Mexican cartels, apparently for the sole purpose of getting US border agents killed to drum up support for ant-gun policies.
And he campaigned on "winning Afghanistan" and well, we all know where that one went.
Oh yeah, and he used drones to murder several Americans, including children. So there's that also.
Not that Orange Jesus is even one ounce better than Black Jesus, but His Eminence, the High Exalted Barack The First was a foreign policy f***up waiting to happen, as well as a pretty solid murderer of people around the world.
The Ukraine coup later became the impetus of the fake Trump impeachment hearings. Not that few folks here or in the MSM put that one together.
It's important to note that Obama killed American citizens without due process. When that 16-year-old kid in Yemen was eviscerated by Mr. Hope and Change's drone he had not been charged with a crime nor was he even under investigation for any crime.
If the President of the United States had ordered a drone strike that "collaterally damaged" an American citizen sitting at a cafe in Iowa as opposed to Yemen folks would be up in arms over it.
Well, half would be. These folks just follow their team til death do they part.
He only rescued our economy from the Republican orchestrated disaster. And every step of the way, legions of right-wingers were screaming at him to implement austerity, while Obama wisely ignored their foolishness and went the direction of Keynesian.
Imagine what US would be like today if we had listened to the fools, er conservatives, and implement..... austerity (!!!!!!!). We'd be exactly where Europe is now with huge unemployment and repeated recession.
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Originally Posted by desertdetroiter
He acted like he had some damn sense and NEVER once brought disgrace upon the presidency. He was able to walk out of the job with his head held high.
And that’s for starters, which is a lot better than what this present occupant of the WH will be able to do when he’s done.
Exactly! He made me proud to be an American.
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Originally Posted by Grlzrl
Still not seeing much. If you give Obama credit for that tepid recovery, I wonder what you think of how the economy is NOW?
And as far as the Recession being caused by the GOP, that's just simple minded thinking. How about Clinton and Barney Frank's everyone needs to own a home contribution or the repeal of Glass Steagall? Maybe some simple minded people still buy the nonsense that it was all on the GOP, but anyone who can think critically knows there was more to it than that.
Check the actual data. The current economy is a continuatation of what started under Obama.
As the world financial system implodes, Democrats have blamed the Bush administration's lack of regulation for creating the conditions for collapse. But a top Clinton regulator acknowledges that he and his colleagues a decade ago "beat back" regulatory efforts that could have prevented credit markets from becoming so precariously balanced they were a millisecond from disaster.
The nation's leading financial officials – Levitt, Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, Secretary of the Treasury Robert Rubin, and his deputy Lawrence Summers – pummeled the proposal, saying it was dangerous to even discuss the idea. Led by Rubin, Levitt and Greenspan, the Clinton White House instead proposed a modest set of reforms. Months later, Clinton Administration officials walked away from their own recommendations, concluding the market could be best managed by the financial industry.
That guy balanced the budget, had a surplus, and a booming economy.
Yet another Democratic president who had to fix the mess created by the Republicans.
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Point and grunt if you like, but actions have consequences.
In the case of Bill Clinton, NAFTA and the 2000 China Trade Act gutted the industries that mortgage payers relied on for their income.
Large numbers of home owners seeing their jobs shipped to low wage nations created a high rate of mortgage default.
Since derivatives were never regulated, and since they were primarily backed with bundled mortgages, over-leveraging of the derivatives created the financial house of cards that came crashing down in the fall of 2008.
If Bill Clinton is never president, there is no 2008 financial crisis.
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