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Maybe they wouldn't agree with Marx, but then they lived in a different world from Marx. Jefferson lived in an agrarian society where people could at least grow food for themselves on open land, and where steam engines as such were little more than engineering novelties and did little productive work. The dominant class was the aristrocracy, people with titles and land granted to them by nobilities. Marx lived in an industrial society where large numbers of people lived in cities and toiled in factories working with machines and not able to feed themselves since there was no free farmland. The dominant social class of the industrial revolution was not the aristrocracy, but the burgeoisie- people with money. The burgeoisie of pre-industrial Europe and America, on the other hand, existed with much less influence, since money could not be transformed as easily into increased production and wealth.
Since Jefferson wasn't contemporaneous with Marx, the point is moot, as well.
Freedom and individual rights cross all classes. Thomas Jefferson believed in the individual and his power to form his own destiny even he has equal right to keep the fruit of his labor and government power is limited. Trust in the people to self govern and strive have a better life for yourself. Marx is a collectivist and believe people as group should have power. Groups are collectism and as a group not all individuals will agree with the collective group. Causing more problems and causing equaility as managed government force. Managed equality means people have to give power to take away the differences in classes and society to be managed by the government or few.
I find this type of thinking to be unamerican and not the values the country was formed on. We have moved closer to the marxist and lenin view of governments role. While it has not move to complete marx or lenin I find it very socialist in nature which leads us closer in this direction. We see this of marxism and socialism in the idealogy hillary and obama have for america.
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My neighbor just had a sticker placed on his car to be towed because his tabs are expired. Listen ok it's being stolen from him theft in any way is always spelled the same. 'THEFT even if you spell it backwards it still is theft sorry AMERICA IS RAN BY COMUNIST NAZI DEVIL WORSHIPERS!
TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK
Good is bad to them Good to them is you go to jail bad to them is you save and innocent man I am ashamed of America and the evil we have become I think it's our food a nation of cannibals and fed things that make you all mean rotten and hateful to fight for greed and kick the beggar in the gutter we are all to blame!
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Is there any history that backs up this supposition?
Look at the U.S. the capitalists ran us into a Great Recession and got bonuses for it. We have starving children, yet the capitalists get millions in subsidies to grow food.
The one percent of America controls 40% of the wealth. They don't even have to produce anything to make a living. They just own capital and rent it out to workers and pay them way below than what they should receive.
Your capitalistic society has eaten away at your democratic republic and turned into a playground for the rich and powerful.
Look at the U.S. the capitalists ran us into a Great Recession and got bonuses for it. We have starving children, yet the capitalists get millions in subsidies to grow food.
The one percent of America controls 40% of the wealth. They don't even have to produce anything to make a living. They just own capital and rent it out to workers and pay them way below than what they should receive.
Your capitalistic society has eaten away at your democratic republic and turned into a playground for the rich and powerful.
well done comrade, now get back to work before you are eliminated.
well done comrade, now get back to work before you are eliminated.
Making threats behind the computer is not an act of strength.
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