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Haven't unions negotiating pay always been a market approach? This is why I don't see why some equate unions with being more leftist.
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Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220
Right wingers view unions as leftist, because they think it gives lower performing workers better wages and benefits than they deserve, while giving higher performing workers less wages or benefits than they deserve.
I don't agree, but it's the oppositions mindset
the issue of "leftist" association has nothing to do with what unions may or may not give anyone.
the reality is that unions decidedly joined the democrat party and the party worked diligently to create government intervention for unions.
As a very conservative person i have no issue with private sector unions. I do have issues with government compulsion and the incestuous relationship between unions and the democrat party.
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Originally Posted by Ferd
the issue of "leftist" association has nothing to do with what unions may or may not give anyone.
the reality is that unions decidedly joined the democrat party and the party worked diligently to create government intervention for unions.
As a very conservative person i have no issue with private sector unions. I do have issues with government compulsion and the incestuous relationship between unions and the democrat party.
Why do you think they did that? Maybe because the Republican party has been anti-union from the start, including writing and passing all the anti-union RtW laws? You think THAT might have something to do with it?.....
Right wingers view unions as leftist, because they think it gives lower performing workers better wages and benefits than they deserve, while giving higher performing workers less wages or benefits than they deserve.
I don't agree, but it's the oppositions mindset
So, you think that lower preforming employees should be paid the same as higher preforming employees?
What do you think of the way the minimum wage is set in some Scandinavian countries?
If only the US had a population of 5 Million and was 90% smaller in size with 90% of the population being the same ethnic group and had a uniform Cost-of-Living.
Unfortunately, the US population is 64x larger than Nordic States, is 90x larger in land area than Nordic States, has an incredibly diverse population that Nordic States could only dream of having and the Cost-of-Living varies so greatly in the US that in some places $6.90/hour is equal to $29/hour just as in some places $12/hour = $29/hour.
Maybe if the coronavirus kills 315 Million people and 4.5 Million of the 5 Million survivors are White and they all live in the same place you can be like the Scandinavian States.
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Originally Posted by workingclasshero
1. pay should be performance based
2. if we should fire someone...because their performance is so horrible, people call it unfair..and unions will act to prevent it....
again, why should the worst mechanic in town, be paid the same as the best mechanic??
At the job I temped at most of last year which was union (though as a temp, I was non union), the pay was a mix of hourly and performance pay. That's the best way to do it. So you got a baseline if work was slow. But if it was busy, it motivated you to work harder
And the Teamsters didn't protect you from being fired if you were tardy or underperforming. In fact if you were late 3 times alone, fired (late was considered 4 mins before your scheduled start time)
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