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Old 03-01-2020, 05:31 AM
 
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Governor Cuomo, ever eager to make sure criminals, including those arrested multiple times for negligent homicide, theft, and/or assault, are protected, introduced the bail reform law. (Since it went into effect, criminal activity has come up across-the-board.) But when you combine it with the liberal sanctuary city policies, we now have dangerous and violent criminal aliens released back among innocent Americans. The latest was a hit-and-run, in which the illegal scumbag (yes, people that run over others and then flee the scene are scumbags), was sent merrily on his way back among decent, honest people. For shame, leftists....you've lost your minds and will be defeated based on illegal immigration ALONE.

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Old 03-01-2020, 05:40 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I am not concerned about how New York runs their city, and so dont see a point in misrepresenting them for partisan reasons. The bail reform does not put violent and dangerous people back on the street since it relates only to most misdemeanors and nonviolent felonies. The whole bail system where people can purchase their way out of jail is fairly weird, because those with money can do it, and those without money cannot.
 
Old 03-01-2020, 05:49 AM
 
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I am not concerned about how New York runs their city, and so dont see a point in misrepresenting them for partisan reasons. The bail reform does not put violent and dangerous people back on the street since it relates only to most misdemeanors and nonviolent felonies. The whole bail system where people can purchase their way out of jail is fairly weird, because those with money can do it, and those without money cannot.
Of course it puts violent people back on the street. Have you seen the list of felonies that aren't subject to bail? You can assault people and be released back into the streets. The problem is that liberals (hey you) are so intent on protecting poor people (including those with repeat records of arrests) that they are willing to risk the safety of law-abiding middle-class people. Poor people and illegals come first in the liberal world.

And P.S. How did I misrepresent that the illegal hit-and-run driver was released back into the community for "partisan purposes"? Did I reveal the dangers and risk inherent in liberal policies? Did you know that the liberal governor gave the State House only 5 hours to read through his massive bill, and then sign? Shades of Pelosi and "you'll find out what's in it after we approve it."

And P.P.S. It's important for voters to look at the policies of liberal states, like NY and CA, because the Socialist running wants to see it spread nationwide.
 
Old 03-01-2020, 06:12 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Of course it puts violent people back on the street. Have you seen the list of felonies that aren't subject to bail? You can assault people and be released back into the streets. The problem is that liberals (hey you) are so intent on protecting poor people (including those with repeat records of arrests) that they are willing to risk the safety of law-abiding middle-class people. Poor people and illegals come first in the liberal world.

And P.S. How did I misrepresent that the illegal hit-and-run driver was released back into the community for "partisan purposes"? Did I reveal the dangers and risk inherent in liberal policies? Did you know that the liberal governor gave the State House only 5 hours to read through his massive bill, and then sign? Shades of Pelosi and "you'll find out what's in it after we approve it."

And P.P.S. It's important for voters to look at the policies of liberal states, like NY and CA, because the Socialist running wants to see it spread nationwide.
I think angry & resentful people (hey you) tend to believe anything they read in the internet as long as it supports their political bias.

You misrepresent practically everything, including posters in this forum by attaching ridiculous labels on them even after you have been corrected countless times.

The hit and run driver will go to court and face justice. If it had not been an accident, but a deliberate attempt to kill someone with his car, they it would be considered a violent crime and he would have been held. With bail system violent criminals can buy their way out. In most States the wealthier people can buy their way put of jail while those who can't afford it will stay there on taxpayer expense until their day in court, which could mean months. That is how it works in Florida, and I could care less id they keep it that way, or change it. We'll see how much tax payer money NY saves by this, and then consider following that system. As of today, only a handful of countries still have a bail system, US being one of them.
 
Old 03-01-2020, 06:18 AM
 
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I think angry & resentful people (hey you) tend to believe anything they read in the internet as long as it supports their political bias.

You misrepresent practically everything, including posters in this forum by attaching ridiculous labels on them even after you have been corrected countless times.

The hit and run driver will go to court and face justice. If it had not been an accident, but a deliberate attempt to kill someone with his car, they it would be considered a violent crime and he would have been held. With bail system violent criminals can buy their way out. In most States the wealthier people can buy their way put of jail while those who can't afford it will stay there on taxpayer expense until their day in court, which could mean months. That is how it works in Florida, and I could care less id they keep it that way, or change it. We'll see how much tax payer money NY saves by this, and then consider following that system. As of today, only a handful of countries still have a bail system, US being one of them.
You are attacking me personally by making false accusations. Stick to the topic instead of personal attacks driven by your bias.

The hit-and-run driver will go to court only IF he can be found. Without bail, and since he's a criminal illegal alien, why would he appear in Court? There's no reason to! He'll just move and hide out elsewhere, in another sanctuary city, free to run over someone else. This defense of illegals is what will cause you to lose the election. Don't you understand that??

This scumbag should NOT be in this country in the first place, and now when he commits a horrible crime, he is sent back to his community where he can do it again. The correct action would be to call ICE, where they can pick him up and either hold him until a court date or just deport him outright.
 
Old 03-01-2020, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Florida
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You are attacking me personally by making false accusations. Stick to the topic instead of personal attacks driven by your bias.

The hit-and-run driver will go to court only IF he can be found. Without bail, and since he's a criminal illegal alien, why would he appear in Court? There's no reason to! He'll just move and hide out elsewhere, in another sanctuary city, free to run over someone else. This defense of illegals is what will cause you to lose the election. Don't you understand that??

This scumbag should NOT be in this country in the first place, and now when he commits a horrible crime, he is sent back to his community where he can do it again. The correct action would be to call ICE, where they can pick him up and either hold him until a court date or just deport him outright.
You dont want to talk about the bail reform anymore? Ok. I have seen enough of your rants about immigrants, so I'm not going there.

Like I said, the bail system is weird, and used only in a handful countries. If you like the idea that some people can buy their way out of jail, then so be it. I dont think it is a conservative or liberal system, its just a weird system. I prefer a system where everyone is treated the same, but since I dont plan to get arrested, I don't really care too much.

ICE is going to deport the driver, and he will no doubt return. IMO, he should stand trial and serve time for the crime he committed and then be deported. I guess we'll never agree on it.
 
Old 03-01-2020, 06:32 AM
 
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You dont want to talk about the bail reform anymore? Ok. I have seen enough of your rants about immigrants, so I'm not going there.

Like I said, the bail system is weird, and used only in a handful countries. If you like the idea that some people can buy their way out of jail, then so be it. I dont think it is a conservative or liberal system, its just a weird system. I prefer a system where everyone is treated the same, but since I dont plan to get arrested, I don't really care too much.
A) I've never ranted about immigrants. I've complained about ILLEGAL ALIENS. Learn the difference.

B) My title was bail reform COMBINED with sanctuary cities, AKA liberal policies toward illegals.

C) I don't like that rich people have the money for bail and poor people don't, but I like even LESS the fact that people who assault, kill people with cars, and commit burglaries are set free without anything compelling them to come back to court, especially if they are here illegally in the first place. Based on your system, rich people would post bail so they have something compelling their appearance in Court, and poor people and/or illegals get released without anything compelling their appearance. If they don't have the money to put up, and they have been arrested repeatedly for assaulting people, sorry....their *** stays in jail.
 
Old 03-01-2020, 06:39 AM
 
Location: Florida
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A) I've never ranted about immigrants. I've complained about ILLEGAL ALIENS. Learn the difference.

B) My title was bail reform COMBINED with sanctuary cities, AKA liberal policies toward illegals.

C) I don't like that rich people have the money for bail and poor people don't, but I like even LESS the fact that people who assault, kill people with cars, and commit burglaries are set free without anything compelling them to come back to court, especially if they are here illegally in the first place. Based on your system, rich people would post bail so they have something compelling their appearance in Court, and poor people and/or illegals get released without anything compelling their appearance. If they don't have the money to put up, and they have been arrested repeatedly for assaulting people, sorry....their *** stays in jail.
My system? I'm pretty sure its NY system, to which I said I am not too concerned about it, other than to see how much tax payer money they save. ICE is going to deport the driver, and he will no doubt return. IMO, he should stand trial and serve time for the crime he committed and then be deported. I guess we'll never agree on it. Why do you think people in other countries come back to stand trial? Because if they don't, they become fugitives, who can never live a normal life again.
 
Old 03-01-2020, 06:41 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Our big city justice system is failing. The DA's plea down violent crime to avoid trials, and get quick convictions. The result is that criminals with multiple Felonies get little or no jail time. This includes Illegal Aliens (they are NOT immigrants) that shouldn't even be here. The Sanctuary Cities are putting legal citizens at more risk by allowing these criminals to be protected.
 
Old 03-01-2020, 06:46 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Our big city justice system is failing. The DA's plea down violent crime to avoid trials, and get quick convictions. The result is that criminals with multiple Felonies get little or no jail time. This includes Illegal Aliens (they are NOT immigrants) that shouldn't even be here. The Sanctuary Cities are putting legal citizens at more risk by allowing these criminals to be protected.
Actually it works the other way. Prosecution pressures the accused to accept a plea deal and prison time by threatening them with a much bigger sentence if they go to court.
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