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Old 02-27-2020, 10:59 AM
 
Location: A coal patch in Pennsyltucky
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While doing genealogy, I read through the 1793 militia index for NJ. It was broken up by municipalities. I don't know if it was different in different states and commonwealths. It was not voluntary. It was mandatory, but Quakers could opt out for payment of an annual fee.

There are mentions of colonial militias in Revolutionary War pension files.
Good point about how different things were in 1793.
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Old 02-27-2020, 11:05 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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Good point about how different things were in 1793.

You don't need to be in the Unorganized Militia for the Second Amendment to matter. Same with free speech in 1793 and free speech in 2020. We now have lots of technology in which to express ourselves, and the First Amendment and free speech still apply. So it doesn't matter how different things were in 1793. Not at all.


Our Natural Rights don't conveniently just disappear with the times.
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Old 02-27-2020, 11:09 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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The purpose of the thread...
Looks to me as if it is the duty of the State to maintain a well regulated Militia.

THE MILITIA ACT OF 1903. 279
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The eighteenth section provides that each State shall require every organization " not excused by the Governor " to have, dur- ing the calendar year, twenty-four drills and five days' field in- struction, on penalty of forfeiture of the annual allotment of the State.
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Old 02-27-2020, 11:14 AM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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Good point about how different things were in 1793.
The organized Militia(Enlisted Military & National Guard) and the unorganized Militia must be on the same page and know the same things, or one is certainly going to hamper and counter the other, instead of working side by side like a fine tuned clock, when and if the **** hits the fan.
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Old 02-27-2020, 11:50 AM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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Good point about how different things were in 1793.
First off, every family had at least one rifle for personal safety and to hunt for food. Men and women both knew how to use the guns. Women were not in the militias.

While reading a Revolutionary War widow's pension application filed by a half sister of one of my ancestors, I found several mentions of colonial militias.

Militias continued to exist prior to the Civil War. If researching the early months of the Civil War, there are numerous mentions of the confusion caused by the militia uniforms worn by many of the men.

In order to know intent of the 2nd ammendment, in my opinion, it can only be done by researching the militias of that time. The only publication that I'm aware of is the 1793 militia census of New Jersey.

Membership was mandatory except if a Quaker paid the annual fee. In the NJ publication, each municipality is listed. The members are listed, Quakers who had paid the fee are listed, separately, for that municipality.
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Old 02-27-2020, 11:54 AM
 
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The 2nd is not talking about government sanctioned or approved militias but of militias independent of government.
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Old 02-27-2020, 12:00 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Sounds like a mandate for the draft.
Well regulated = Well trained and working.
Yes, and like in the military it means:

- Able bodied & trained
- No criminals
- No habitual drunkards
- No drug users
- No Children
- No people who cannot operate a firearm
- No mentally ill
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Old 02-27-2020, 12:01 PM
 
Location: The place where the road & the sky collide
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The 2nd is not talking about government sanctioned or approved militias but of militias independent of government.
Have you read the 1793 militia census for NJ?
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Old 02-27-2020, 12:06 PM
 
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Have you read the 1793 militia census for NJ?
Have you read the Bill Of Rights?

The Bill Of Rights are all specific freedoms that government can't touch.

They were specifically written to restrict government by granting rights to the PEOPLE.

If the founders were talking about government militias, it wouldn't have been placed in the Bill of Rights.
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Old 02-27-2020, 12:13 PM
 
Location: NC
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What is a well regulated clock?
What is a well regulated valve?
Use a dictionary from 1784.




Certainly they knew the word control, but used regulated instead..... Well working, like a fine tuned machine.
You DO realize that valves used in industry are process CONTROL valves, don't you? LOL.
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