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If they were so lazy why didn't the Russians have to create plowed and fertilized farmlands?
Sounds more like the same dynamic that made Germans dislike Poles (Farmers, Peasants) and maybe of the other such movements. As I have noted to one member here, the Russian "Software" is faulty. Generations of those who would be decent have been jailed, killed and relocated. They don't know,...and didn't know back then...right from wrong, or up from down.
Do all those others who "hate Ukrainians" know that many that they hate were Ethic Russians sent there to resettle? Of course not. They hate them likely because Ukraine has better weather, farmland and even industry. Surely you know a lot of the USSR's aviation industry was there?
"Ukraine was the largest per-capita producer in Europe of pig iron and sugar, and the second-largest per-capita producer of steel and of iron ore, and was the third largest per-capita producer of coal in "
In the end Ukrainians differ individually like everyone else. But having been stuck under the USSR for 100 years now it's really hard for them to join the modern world. But they want to, by and large. Putin isn't having it.
It also sounds like many Americans have bought into Putins view on things
As an aside I know of a factory in Maine (metal working) whose Boss I am good friends with - and he states that his best employees are Ukrainians (lots in Maine). "They know metal work" is what he told me.
You are now conflicting times.
Ukraine did not have any industry, industry for Ukraine and the entire USSR came after the USSR was formed. Imperial Russia was basically an agrarian society.
The USSR placed numerous industries in Ukraine to Bolster Ukraine's prominence as it pursued having Ukraine as a UN member along with Belarus, this is why many industries were located in these SSRs.
So why did the Ukrainians turn around and help murder pretty much their whole Jewish population less than a decade later? Communist scum of the Earth? SMH
Quite a stretch of the truth there. Most Ukrainian Jews were killed by the Nazis with a shot to the back of the neck.......this includes most of my family. We have the written reports of what happened. Word for word.
Ukrainians, being in-between, understandably desired some of the civilized ways of Germany as opposed to the complete poverty and backwardness of the USSR. Between a rock and a hard place.....
But saying Ukrainians, en masse, murdered all the Jews does not square with my readings of History. You can't even accuse Poles of that much and they were MUCH more involved than Ukrainians.
It might be more accurate to say that SOME German sympathizers in Ukraine, many of whom were forcibly conscripted, took part in some Actions.
In that sense we could say Texans are not American.
Sorry, that's a fail. Georgia, etc. are/were all part of the USSR.
Are Ukrainians Russians? Were they at the time?
The Ukrainians were still the Cossacks at that time. Ethnically Cossacks are just slavs to but they like to think of themselves as being a different culture. A more free, adventurist, glorified subset of slavic existence.
Ukraine did not have any industry, industry for Ukraine and the entire USSR came after the USSR was formed. Imperial Russia was basically an agrarian society.
The USSR placed numerous industries in Ukraine to Bolster Ukraine's prominence as it pursued having Ukraine as a UN member along with Belarus, this is why many industries were located in these SSRs.
It's not a question of times but more one that they are not, by definition, either lazy or clueless. That was my point....that and that only.
Much of world history is a function of time and place. Guns, Germs and Steel if you will.
The Ukrainians were still the Cossacks at that time. Ethnically Cossacks are just slavs to but they like to think of themselves as being a different culture. A more free, adventurist, glorified subset of slavic existence.
SOME Ukrainians were Cossacks and some Cossacks were Ukrainian. Big difference.
They were tribal, militaristic and - in recent centuries, largely in the employ of Mother Russia. The Cossacks as an actual independent political or military power ended 100+ years before the Russian Revolution. After that they served the Czar.
In the towns of my ancestors they would come in and rape and pillage and kill....with regularity. That's one reason zionism and emigration to the USA and elsewhere took place even before the Nazis.
Despite the official policies (all men are equal) of the USSR, the truth was anything but. Jews were long ago sent to one area (The Pale - in modern Ukraine) forcibly. But then they were attacked 100's of times there by people who wanted free stuff from them. Seems their productivity pissed off the peasants....similarly to how the Ukrainians pissed off Stalin with their farming productivity.
American youth are "clamoring" for Communism? That`s the first I`ve heard of it.
They are being TAUGHT that the USA was founded illegitimately, based on RACISM!
The Soviets did a terribly great job convincing those amongst us; those exposed to their active measures throughout the 20th century, that capitalism is BAD, and Communism is GOOD!
RIP, Communist Russia in 1991.
Their contamination of our Representative Republic will NOT survive, or prevail, with your FAILED ideology that discounts Human Nature.
SOME Ukrainians were Cossacks and some Cossacks were Ukrainian. Big difference.
They were tribal, militaristic and - in recent centuries, largely in the employ of Mother Russia. The Cossacks as an actual independent political or military power ended 100+ years before the Russian Revolution. After that they served the Czar.
You are confused again.
There were two ( actually more) different sets of "cossacks" in Ukraine/Russia. One was Zaporozhian Sich, ( that goes back to 16-18th century, and that's the one you are thinking about, ) and then there was Don Cossack Host ( the one Boxus is referring to.)
Two different things, different historic periods too.
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In the towns of my ancestors they would come in and rape and pillage and kill....with regularity. That's one reason zionism and emigration to the USA and elsewhere took place even before the Nazis.
Despite the official policies (all men are equal) of the USSR, the truth was anything but. Jews were long ago sent to one area (The Pale - in modern Ukraine) forcibly. But then they were attacked 100's of times there by people who wanted free stuff from them. Seems their productivity pissed off the peasants....similarly to how the Ukrainians pissed off Stalin with their farming productivity.
No, that's TZARIST RUSSIA, not Soviet one.
They were not "sent there," those were the regions of their ORIGINAL dwelling, ( Ukraine, Poland and so on,) and they were not allowed to move from there to "Russia proper" - they were given only small quotas for that, and only after religeous conversion to Orthodoxy.
During Soviet times they could move wherever they felt like it, and Stalin even created a seprate Republic for them - an autonomous Jewish republic.
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