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Old 10-29-2021, 02:14 PM
 
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I don't think they are flawed. They have been shown to be flawed. Being that you have read "many" studies I would think you would have been versed and read each study in this meta-analysis but it's apparent you just do the usual copy and paste without reading the actual studies. Carvallo and Niaee studies have flaws and errors. They cannot be used.





Um no, They should use hospitalization length which is more severe to determine significant benefit of Ivermectin. Also, for the cough the placebo group did better than ivermectin in this trial on cough (p=0.15)

So basically you are hanging your hat on one study that shows the Ivermectin fever group had 2 less people with no fever after Day 5, and you are touting this as showing significant benefit of Ivermectin.

This study would have been impressive if it showed hospital stay were significantly reduced and cough and fever were dropped more significantly than the placebo group. To me this study really doesn't tell us anything about the effectivness against COVID especially severe COVID.
Diesel,

All studies have errors and flaws. Nothing in this world is perfect. You read a bunch of critiques, and think that settles the matter. It does not. You cannot pick and choose studies based on some criteria or you introduce your own prejudices.

And no, go with the study conclusions not your own twisted prejudices about hospitalizations.

And you know what’s impressive? Meta Analysis of ~70 studies across many different scientists in different countries shows 70% efficacy. You cannot explain that. It doesn’t happen by chance. Either IVM works or all these random scientists from over a dozen countries are in on a conspiracy

 
Old 10-29-2021, 04:25 PM
 
Location: Niceville, FL
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And all those people can still get and pass Covid. UK data says vaxxed die at the same rate as the unvaxxed.

What do your shots do again?

Edit: I hope serger is not responding to me. I'm never going to see it. I'll bet it's inaccurate and rude though...
US data shows that the unvaccinated die at an 18X rate compared to the vaccinated.
 
Old 10-29-2021, 04:28 PM
 
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US data shows that the unvaccinated die at an 18X rate compared to the vaccinated.
The Colorado data Hoonose posted showed just 4x.

CDC data is garbage. Pure garbage.
 
Old 10-29-2021, 05:15 PM
 
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US data shows that the unvaccinated die at an 18X rate compared to the vaccinated.
I would ask if those data go back to the beginning before we had vaccines? Because that tends to exaggerate the actual current implications. Which of course are still very much in favor of the vaccinated.
 
Old 10-29-2021, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Lyon, France, Whidbey Island WA
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So after 5 days, 84% of the control group did not have a fever, but 100% of the IVM group didn't have a fever.

Sample size is small I know, and we agreed to not touch on this, mostly because meta analysis takes care of that part. A bunch of small studies all saying the same thing, from a statistical standpoint, is better, than one large study saying the same thing (provided n for the large study equals the sum of samples of the small studies).
Since an anti parasitic Ivermectin works quite differently than the vaccine, we can assume that the virus CoV19 has parasitic qualities aka from an infected animal or a human which has consumed it.
 
Old 10-29-2021, 09:08 PM
 
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The Colorado data Hoonose posted showed just 4x.

CDC data is garbage. Pure garbage.
Just 4x ? Lol.

Oh, and did you adjust for age?

Speaking of garbage, were you posting a trial with like 20 people in it?

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Old 10-30-2021, 03:51 AM
 
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Since an anti parasitic Ivermectin works quite differently than the vaccine, we can assume that the virus CoV19 has parasitic qualities aka from an infected animal or a human which has consumed it.
IVM has a different mechanism of action on parasites and the virus. In fact, on the virus it basically has no mechanism at all. It basically acts on our own proteases that side in the viral replication. It also helps block SARS-CoV-2 from access to the nucleus as well by binding to certain channels. On parasites, it binds to certain channels on their nervous tissue, killing them. For humans, the concentrations needed to bind to those channels require such large concentrations or one very mutation that’s noted for IVM. However, if you take concentrations for a horse you may just poison yourself.

So in other words, IVM is a chemical compound that acts on cells and therefore since viruses use our cells to replicate, can have antiviral properties.
 
Old 10-30-2021, 03:54 AM
 
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Just 4x ? Lol.

Oh, and did you adjust for age?

Speaking of garbage, were you posting a trial with like 20 people in it?
Nope, didn’t adjust for age but feel free to do it.

Also, 20 people? Reading was taught in Kindergarten Serger.
 
Old 10-30-2021, 09:35 AM
 
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Nope, didn’t adjust for age but feel free to do it.

Also, 20 people? Reading was taught in Kindergarten Serger.
So did you skip that a lot? Math too? Lol.
 
Old 10-30-2021, 10:32 AM
 
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So did you skip that a lot? Math too? Lol.
Not only do you not read at a Kindergarten level you insult like one too:

I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you
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