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Old 03-07-2020, 11:27 AM
 
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But Hillary didn't win. We're talking about a real virus in 2020 and a real administration that has botched its response big time. I don't like to play what if. It's a waste of time.
No we aren't. It's you trying as hard as hell to blame the victims of this virus on Trump.

It's a pretty sad place to be. You really ought to try and get some real perspective.

 
Old 03-07-2020, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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But Hillary didn't win. We're talking about a real virus in 2020 and a real administration that has botched its response big time. I don't like to play what if. It's a waste of time.
So the fact that everything would have played out the same way no matter who was president at the time -- that's not relevant? Then how does the claim that they botched their response hold any water? By the same reasoning, accusing the current presidency of "doing it wrong" or "screwing everything up" is also a big fat waste of time. You are also playing "what if" games. What if the whole world had reacted differently? We just can't know the answer to that.

One of the troubles with Coronavirus is that we've had so many duds over the past 20 years. Avian flu didn't amount to much. Ebola never got out of Africa. Swine Flu was underwhelming as other strains of the flu have killed far more people. SARS and MERS didn't turn into the world dooming pandemics they were projected to be. All of this makes you feel like a villager where the boy that cried, "Wolf!!" lives. You tend to start ignore it the next time that somebody sounds the pandemic alarm. There's really no avoiding it. People were just bound to tune it out and downplay it. You still have plenty of people out there pointing out the fact that this year's flu has killed vastly more people than the Coronavirus. They're not wrong about that, but the Coronavirus hasn't spread to the greater majority of humanity. Not yet.

Lots of mistakes have been made, most of them in China. What's done is done. We all just need to accept the fact that we're probably going to get this nasty little bug sometime in the next year. Some of us are going to die. Most of us will live through it and be just fine. If you wanna blame somebody, blame China whose stupidity cause the whole thing to begin with.
 
Old 03-07-2020, 11:35 AM
 
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And the wettest.

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Old 03-07-2020, 11:36 AM
 
Location: East Chicago, IN
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Trump is trying to get re-elected, that's all this is. He has to call everything a hoax and downplay it otherwise people will associate his presidency with a pandemic.
 
Old 03-07-2020, 11:37 AM
 
Location: NMB, SC
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Trump is trying to get re-elected, that's all this is. He has to call everything a hoax and downplay it otherwise people will associate his presidency with a pandemic.
Obama had a pandemic under his term.
 
Old 03-07-2020, 11:37 AM
 
Location: Hoosierville
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Do yourself a favor and stay away from fake news.



House swiftly passes bipartisan $8.3B coronavirus package
The Dems were the ones holding it up.

That's 100% true.

They were stalling it over the vaccine cost .... and probably Super Tuesday was an added bonus.
 
Old 03-07-2020, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Middle of the valley
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The Dems were the ones holding it up.

That's 100% true.

They were stalling it over the vaccine cost .... and probably Super Tuesday was an added bonus.

In all fairness, the affordability of the vaccine is pretty darn important. Not just for the individual, but for the community at large.
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Old 03-07-2020, 11:43 AM
 
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Obama had a pandemic under his term.
And he and we dealt with it and them......and, as you know for 100% certain, if the GOP could have pilloried the black dude for it, they would have.

But they were too busy with making sure we couldn't have better public health (the ACA).

That's past history - but it is still very true. I was there.
 
Old 03-07-2020, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Midwest
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The Dems were the ones holding it up.

That's 100% true.

They were stalling it over the vaccine cost .... and probably Super Tuesday was an added bonus.
Really? Exactly how long did the Dems hold it up? Overnight to include a provision that coronavirus vaccines need to be affordable?

Geeze!

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...cy-bill-119729
 
Old 03-07-2020, 11:48 AM
 
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So the fact that everything would have played out the same way no matter who was president at the time -- that's not relevant? Then how does the claim that they botched their response hold any water? By the same reasoning, accusing the current presidency of "doing it wrong" or "screwing everything up" is also a big fat waste of time. You are also playing "what if" games. What if the whole world had reacted differently? We just can't know the answer to that.
So you don't agree with the health care pros, docs and hospitals that say Trump (the admin) messed up the response? Fine.

That's an opinion.

No one can say exactly how others would handle it but I am 100% sure that Obama wouldn't have just sent it to someone else and then blamed it on others.

I am sure he wouldn't have called other pols and parties snakes or hoax spreaders....if they weren't.

I am sure he would have not told us that his own DNA allowed him to understand this better than most anyone.

We can be quite certain of a lot of things....and one of them is that Trump isn't going to help or save us. It may be that some of the old civil servants help us a lot...but not Trump or his admin where fealty is job #1.
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