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Old 03-11-2020, 11:27 AM
 
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Originally Posted by biggunsmallbrains View Post
A political gesture? As in it’s a meaningless declaration? Please. That’s the type of thinking that got us into this predicament to begin with. How many coronavirus test have been completed here? And we’ve had months to prepare. It’s an unmitigated disaster.
As I heard Chris Martenson say, if facts alarm you, the problems isn't with the facts.

 
Old 03-11-2020, 11:28 AM
 
Location: western East Roman Empire
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Originally Posted by rkcarguy View Post
Simple question for you. How should government deal with the nations finances if we see widespread infection from corona virus and a large scale shut down of our economy? A lot of people aren't going to be able to work and therefore will run out of money in short order. Do we go to rationing essentials and suspend all "money transactions"? Do we hand out "porkulous" money or cut taxes to zero (which won't be enough anyway)?
Assuming large scale restrictions on physical mobility of people, the government should guarantee payments, including credit card or other credit system payments for essentials, such as mortgage payments, rent payments, utilities payments, insurance payments, health care payments and, yes, even tax payments.

Priority in the real economy should be given to ensuring safe corridors for food production and delivery, utilities production and delivery (water and electricity), medical equipment and services.
 
Old 03-11-2020, 11:29 AM
 
Location: London
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Having guaranteed paid sick leave (or at least banning employers from firing employees for staying home when sick) would really help minimize the spread of the virus.

The workers who have the MOST contact with the general public are the LEAST likely to get paid sick leave from their employers. In fact, they're the likeliest to be forced to go to work sick, with threats of being fired if they stay home.

Most people stocking the grocery store and preparing your food in restaurants go to work while sick. And since they have constant contact with the public, they're the among the likeliest to get sick in the first place.
 
Old 03-11-2020, 11:30 AM
 
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We know the deaths in Hubei, they are published by WHO. And we know they are leveling off. Same with Korea; both think they have passed the peak. I don't get anything from Trump, I don't trust him at all. But you can look at the numbers yourself and draw your own conclusion.
I am looking at numbers and listening to people who are knowledgeable about how pandemics work, especially this one. I'm not getting all my information from the CDC or WHO. We haven't seen anything yet. That is my conclusion. Others disagree of course.
 
Old 03-11-2020, 11:30 AM
 
Location: Unperson Everyman Land
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Liberal Trump is following another Liberal President. One thing Obama had going for him is that it was based on economics.
How so?
 
Old 03-11-2020, 11:31 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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Wow.....wishing for another nations people to go back to starving......so that we can go back to gluttony. Its not proven that the virus organically originated in China. The greatest genetic diversity of the coronavirus, I have read ( I don't know that it is true) is the United States. You figure the rest out if that is true....and I am not saying that it is. It's just not proven that the virus developed in China. It seems to have spread from China, however. They could never find patient zero.

At this point....everybody is a suspect in regards to its origins.
Yeah, I’m sure the virus originated here and magically spread there first and waited 2 months to get here. The only way it originated here is that they stole it from a research facility and it got loose there. It’s a possibility, they’re always stealing **** they don’t understand.
 
Old 03-11-2020, 11:31 AM
 
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I didn't realize this "cut" is actually a cut to the SS programs?

That may change my thinking, as earlier I was defending it in my own ignorance. I'm a strong supporter for our president but to teeter with people's fixed incomes, that's a deal-breaker. Get rid of the deadbeats, not those elderly who've earned every cent of it. Although our biggest problems / expenses are with SS Fraud. I'd like to know what his vision is for that.
That's what payroll taxes go toward, SS and Medicare.
 
Old 03-11-2020, 11:31 AM
 
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Originally Posted by Elliott_CA View Post
Trump's payroll tax cut

a) is biased towards high income earners, and
b) undermines the financial well-being of Social Security and Medicare.

Congress is already derelict for kicking the can down the road and not shoring up financing Social Security and Medicare. Trump's tax holiday just adds more red ink to both these popular and critical programs.

It doesn't make sense to address a public health crisis by creating a funding crisis in Soc Sec and Medicare.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/20...us-crisis-push
oh yea... and its the same thing Obama did years ago and was considered really s m r t




geez
 
Old 03-11-2020, 11:32 AM
 
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We have no details yet right?

I jumped on board and then started hearing the rumors, ideas of what it would mean. This is a great campaign strategy, is it really an effective stimulus package. Effective doesn't just mean giving people more money, it means will it truly help the overall American economy and the residents without being too much of a financial burden on the country.
 
Old 03-11-2020, 11:34 AM
 
Location: New Jersey
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All of sudden, it doesn't sound like a bad idea.
I suggested a nationwide 21 day quarantine last week and everyone jumped all over me saying I didn’t care about hungry people. But we could never do that here voluntarily. I have an ems friend who just told me people are refusing to answer the question of whether they have been out of the country or had contact with sick people. They’re saying, “I don’t have to answer that.” Way too much entitlement in this country.
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