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God help us all ….. I don’t know how old you are, but I can tell you this …. if I went back in time just 30 years, and told people of the things happening today (that people like you seem to think is normal), I would be laughed at and called a lunatic. Thats how bad things are that you seem to lack an awareness of.l, or perhaps you simply lack a frame of referrence.
Yes, we have traveled down that slippery slope for a very long time now to reach where we are, one small step, and then another, while voices like yours have helped pave that road to hell, with good intentions.
This is not such a bad world compared to the old times when polio and measles were running rampant. If people long ago had been like the antivaxxers of today, we would still have all those nasty preventable diseases and the life expectancy would be 5 or 10 years shorter than it is now, with higher infant mortality. That is a world we should not be so keen to re-create.
And reasonable regulations to mitigate disease in a crisis are not "authoritarianism".
Stop quoting the crooked lying news …. The god damned manufacturers of the vaccines say they only reduce the severity of symptoms, but do not prevent infection or spread FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! Thats why they still want you vaccinated dummies to put your masks back on! I’m not making this crap up …. thats the OFFICIAL position of the vaccine creators, so the news claiming otherwise is FAKE NEWS!
Stop quoting the crooked lying news …. The god damned manufacturers of the vaccines say they only reduce the severity of symptoms, but do not prevent infection or spread FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! Thats why they still want you vaccinated dummies to put your masks back on! I’m not making this crap up …. thats the OFFICIAL position of the vaccine creators, so the news claiming otherwise is FAKE NEWS!
DAMN its hard to get through to you.
The vaccine makers did not claim that the efficacy against spread was zero.
Stop quoting the crooked lying news …. The god damned manufacturers of the vaccines say they only reduce the severity of symptoms, but do not prevent infection or spread FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! Thats why they still want you vaccinated dummies to put your masks back on! I’m not making this crap up …. thats the OFFICIAL position of the vaccine creators, so the news claiming otherwise is FAKE NEWS!
DAMN its hard to get through to you.
No need to quibble over "crooked lying news" sources.
Here is the Israeli Health Dept Head in her own words.
Stop quoting the crooked lying news …. The god damned manufacturers of the vaccines say they only reduce the severity of symptoms, but do not prevent infection or spread FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!!!! Thats why they still want you vaccinated dummies to put your masks back on! I’m not making this crap up …. thats the OFFICIAL position of the vaccine creators, so the news claiming otherwise is FAKE NEWS!
DAMN its hard to get through to you.
Properly the manufacturers did not make assertions for which there was no supporting evidence. The end-point for Pfizer actually was mild disease defined as a positive PCR + one symptom. J&J's was broader, focusing more on severity of symptoms.
The phase 3 trials a year ago did not attempt to regularly PCR-test the participants to measure asymptomatic infections or to contract-trace results of infections. Contact-tracing only the far fewer vaxxed symptomatic would have meant unblinding the trial!
Once the vaccines reached the general population, there was the opportunity to develop data. Initially the vaccines were pretty much "sterilizing" although that resulted from nAbs now waning as virus infectivity increases.
So that doesn't really count, if the impact is to be temporary!!!. What creates so-called real sterilizing vaccines - shutting the door to spread - is not the vaccine itself being so intrinsically great but that it inoculates against a disease like chicken pox, which results from a much more stable DNA virus.
You possess a dangerous, authoritarian mindset, and therefore, when combined with ignorance, a threat to the very liberties untold numbers have sacrificed their lives to protect.
The fact is, vaccines do not prevent the infection or spread of the disease, as is well demonstrated in places like Israel. Furthermore, its the people who are vaccinated that shed spike proteins, which can cause illness in others.
You have no argument. Your position is based on false perceptions and uninformed beliefs.
Properly the manufacturers did not make assertions for which there was no supporting evidence. The end-point for Pfizer actually was mild disease defined as a positive PCR + one symptom. J&J's was broader, focusing more on severity of symptoms.
The phase 3 trials a year ago did not attempt to regularly PCR-test the participants to measure asymptomatic infections or to contract-trace results of infections. Contact-tracing only the far fewer vaxxed symptomatic would have meant unblinding the trial!
Once the vaccines reached the general population, there was the opportunity to develop data. Initially the vaccines were pretty much "sterilizing" although that resulted from nAbs now waning as virus infectivity increases.
So that doesn't really count, if the impact is to be temporary!!!. What creates so-called real sterilizing vaccines - shutting the door to spread - is not the vaccine itself being so intrinsically great but that it inoculates against a disease like chicken pox, which results from a much more stable DNA virus.
This is taken DIRECTLY from the Pfizer contract that countries sign with them... Look at the sentence that starts with "Purchaser further acknowledges":
This is taken DIRECTLY from the Pfizer contract that countries sign with them... Look at the sentence that starts with "Purchaser further acknowledges":
What is the connection between my post and your post?
The original poster said the manufacturers say THIS (his assertion). What you've attached is that the manufacturers guarantee NOTHING. This isn't like buying an appliance under a one-year warranty.
The purchaser has to DO THE DATA. Although no doubt Pfizer continues research. The data compiled by Purchaser UK and Purchaser Israel - which that poster was disputing - currently indicate: x y and z.
That poster also rejects data if initiated linked to Reuters, even though the study link is attached. Another poster just now wondered if he would believe the words out of the Israeli health minister's very own MOUTH.
Last edited by EveryLady; 08-14-2021 at 12:26 PM..
What is the connection between my post and your post?
The original poster said the manufacturers say THIS (his assertion). What you've attached is that the manufacturers guarantee NOTHING. This isn't like buying an appliance under a one-year warranty.
The purchaser has to DO THE DATA. Although no doubt Pfizer continues research. The data compiled by Purchaser UK and Purchaser Israel - which that poster was disputing - currently indicate: x y and z.
Ya know what - I've had enough of this for today. It's like talking to the wall sometimes...
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