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Yes, my first daughter died from the Dtap. My son developed encephalopathy from the Dtap/MMR/HepB combo at age 2. My 25 yo daughter went into shock four days after her 2nd covid vaccine & was taken unresponsive, in an ambulance to the ER.
People keep saying "boosters" like it's no big deal to get vaccine after vaccine after vaccine; not realizing that every time you get vaccinated, you increase your odds of having a serious adverse event.
Anybody who lies sedated in an ICU bed for any reason can develop blood clots though. I don't think they have done an adequate job determining hospitalized covid related blood clots, from general hospitalized blood clot incidence. I think that if the data was properly analyzed, the risk from blood clots in vaccinated unhospitalized patients would look a whole lot more alarming than it does now.
Blood clot incidence in the bedridden will ALWAYS be higher than in the mobile, covid or not.
Sorry for your loss but I don’t believe the death certificate respectively list DTAP, and DTAP\MMT/hepB vac as cause of death
I’ve gotten a flu shot every year for 20 years. It’s no big deal.
Sorry for your loss but I don’t believe the death certificate respectively list DTAP, and DTAP\MMT/hepB vac as cause of death
I’ve gotten a flu shot every year for 20 years. It’s no big deal.
The callousness of this response is just astounding. If you don't believe it, why not keep it to yourself?
On the chance that this person is telling the truth, you're willing to cause some amount of anguish just to score a point on flu shots?
Not to mention your non-sequitur jumping from DTAP to the flu vaccine makes your point non-applicable. One vaccine is great so the all are?
The callousness of this response is just astounding. If you don't believe it, why not keep it to yourself?
On the chance that this person is telling the truth, you're willing to cause some amount of anguish just to score a point on flu shots?
Not to mention your non-sequitur jumping from DTAP to the flu vaccine makes your point non-applicable. One vaccine is great so the all are?
This is about COVID-19 which is a life threatening illness. 620,000 people have died we can’t worry about being polite when there has been so much loss of life and more lives are at stake.
Explain what is it about the human immune response to DTAP,MMR and HEPB that would make these vaccines more dangerous and harmful than the flu vaccine?
Vaccinated people are still much less likely to catch Covid than someone that is non-vaccinated. Less chance of a Covid related blood clot if less chance of getting Covid.
The probability that unvaccinated are more likely to become ill is widening for Delta even taking into consideration data on vaccine breakthroughs. For example, data on Oregon:
—Breakthrough vaxxed cases went up 7-fold from a low baseline
—Unvaccinated cases went up >8-fold
—The absolute relative benefit of vaccination markedly increased https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status...29840680931329
In other words, the unvaccinated are worse off statistically than before Delta. The increase is not linear but exponential resulting in a much steeper slope in the rise of unvaccinated infection.
THEN AFTER THAT: add the benefits of being vaxxed, post-infection ... and no wonder the hospitals are getting busy.
Thank you, EveryLady for your informative and coherent posts
Thank you. I'm very interested in this (obviously !!!) and find typing out thoughts helps put the picture together for myself. At which point, why not "share," although no doubt to many its oversharing. . One drawback is study results of varying quality pour in each day, with new learnings or at least more explanations shared by scientists. Once having said anything, I then feel compelled to update (if its recent). For example, I learned something new today.
YESTERDAY (me): The remainder of the virus also mutates, but that doesn't appear to be as well studied. ... Presumably a covid infection results in antibodies to the entire virus allowing for broader "natural" immunities.
TODAY: Per Gottlieb to a question on CNBC. What happens within the non-spike portions of the virus? It turns out that the spike is the most immunogenic portion of the entire virus, to which antibodies are then created. Viruses mutate in response to antibodies. Already there is the study that shows the antibodies to the spike created by vaccination + natural infection largely overlap. With apparently what happens in the remainder of the virus of lesser importance?
If so, I think what this may mean is there really might not be a heck of a lot of difference between vaccination and natural infection. Some, of course. More nAbs from vaccination; slightly broader antibodies from natural infection. What I'm saying is that we really are in this TOGETHER.
With perhaps comparable mutational pressure on the virus from vaccination + natural infection due to similar resulting antibodies? In theory that was always the case. But like I said apparently the specific ABS for the two are matching up surprisingly closely in studies for this disease. Caveat: the unvaxxed are sicker longer than the vaccinated increasing the window for mutation?
More, I think this seeming battle of the vaccination vs natural infection somewhat INSANE. People should make the choice that is best for themselves. Where to obtain immunities, for eventually most will get them one way or another - probably from various combinations of exposures.
Of course, new learnings could come tomorrow but the window of the unknown is narrowing, if only gradually.
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Originally Posted by sammythebull
Question: When looking at these data, when the conclusion is drawn about the two biggies - hospitalization and death, do the studies collect other data? I'm thinking it would be important to know, out of those reported, how many were vaccinated but confirmed to have COVID before (either Alpha or Delta), how many are obese or have underlying health conditions (and if so, what), age, early intervention/treatment, etc.. And the same for the control group, if there is a control group. It seems that the data could easily be skewed by selecting a sample (for example) that includes persons >50 yrs old, with no underlying health conditions, and some who may have had COVID. Which obviously would show a greater effective % of hospitalization avoidance, but not necessarily due solely because of the vaccine.
There are massive amounts of data. A problem is the data are calculated from snapshots of different populations - that vaccinated using different dosing schedules, using different vaccines, rolled out at different times. With then an enormous number of variables that can confound results, some of which you mention.
There's this interesting discussion right now on Twitter between numerous researchers inside and outside Israel on how to untangle some of its statistics. Population stats can, of course, be supplemented by studies designed around confounding variables and laboratory measurements.
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. One drawback is study results of varying quality pour in each day, with new learnings or at least more explanations shared by scientists. Once having said anything, I then feel compelled to update (if its recent). For example, I learned something new today.